Mark Wilson & Don Wardell, M.D.

williebetmore said:
scott,
as the assistant coach (unskilled, unpaid, sporadically present :-)), i can assure you that respect for the equipment and respect for the opponent are mandatory. Good sportsmanship, a neat appearance, good training habits, and good scholarship come first; winning is the byproduct of these factors.
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still undefeated
 
The Lindenwood team is more a family these days.Mark insists that we all be leaders on and off the table as we all represent the sport of pool and are trying to grow it in a positive light (Mark demands this). Mark has made so many sacrafices for us and we would do the same for him. Our family at Lindenwood has just started and we are looking at doing some new and exciting things to grow the sport.
 
The Dude said:
The Lindenwood team is more a family these days.Mark insists that we all be leaders on and off the table as we all represent the sport of pool and are trying to grow it in a positive light (Mark demands this). Mark has made so many sacrafices for us and we would do the same for him. Our family at Lindenwood has just started and we are looking at doing some new and exciting things to grow the sport.
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I found what apparently is the Lindenwood pool team roster: http://www.lindenwoodlionssls.com/roster.aspx?path=pool&

Is that correct? 29 students on the team?!? I wouldn't have guessed nearly that many. How many are on scholarship?

How many players compete in a typical event? What is the pool "season" in college? In how many events will the team play during a school year? What is the format for the events?
 
AtLarge said:
I found what apparently is the Lindenwood pool team roster: http://www.lindenwoodlionssls.com/roster.aspx?path=pool&

Is that correct? 29 students on the team?!? I wouldn't have guessed nearly that many. How many are on scholarship?

How many players compete in a typical event? What is the pool "season" in college? In how many events will the team play during a school year? What is the format for the events?
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That is a rough amount of players as some come and go to life events or academic responsibilities. The season we have goes year round and Mark sets up matches for us with other local teams to compete against. Mike Durbin started the Durbin cup this year as a mosconi cup type match where we compete for a sizable trophy and bragging rights (super cool event). Typically we might have fifteen players in a match playing round robin race to three and tallying the final score to determine a winner.Mark has also set up inter squad matches to challenge players individually and keep the competitive growth growing. The scholarship question I can not answer as it is per individual and some are on and some are not. At the end of the day it is a great thing we are doing and should be experienced by the college student and avid players outside of the college life. Mark and the team are currently knocking around ideas to have events at the university to grow things further as the momentum is building for the great things to come with what we are doing.
 
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The Dude said:
That is a rough amount of players as some come and go to life events or academic responsibilities. The season we have goes year round and Mark sets up matches for us with other local teams to compete against. Mike Durbin started the Durbin cup this year as a mosconi cup type match where we compete for a sizable trophy and bragging rights (super cool event). Typically we might have fifteen players in a match playing round robin race to three and tallying the final score to determine a winner.Mark has also set up inter squad matches to challenge players individually and keep the competitive growth growing. The scholarship question I can not answer as it is per individual and some are on and some are not. At the end of the day it is a great thing we are doing and should be experienced by the college student and avid players outside of the college life.
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Thank you for your response.
 
Chapter 22 has diagram reference errors in the text that make it hard to follow until you realize it.

JC
 
JC said:
Chapter 22 has diagram reference errors in the text that make it hard to follow until you realize it.

JC
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JC,
I just reviewed Ch. 22 and the references all match the diagrams.....were you referring to a different chapter possibly? We always are seeking errors to correct in the next edition. Thanks for your help
 
Williebetmore said:
JC,
I just reviewed Ch. 22 and the references all match the diagrams.....were you referring to a different chapter possibly? We always are seeking errors to correct in the next edition. Thanks for your help
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I just got momentarily confused when I was reading the second paragraph on page 133 that is titled Figure 22-6. I glanced over to the opposite page and saw the heading "Reference shot #6" on the top photo and made an erroneous connection between Figure 22-6 and Shot #6, which is actually figure 22-5. 22-6 is of course reference shot #7. Since there is no reference in the text to the actual heading of the photos as reference shot "X" etc I didn't notice at first that after the summary photo in Figure 22-4 they became staggered between the Figure# and the Reference shot# once you turn the page to 132. My bad. That's a nice chapter by the way.

JC
 
JC said:
I just got momentarily confused when I was reading the second paragraph on page 133 that is titled Figure 22-6. I glanced over to the opposite page and saw the heading "Reference shot #6" on the top photo and made an erroneous connection between Figure 22-6 and Shot #6, which is actually figure 22-5. 22-6 is of course reference shot #7. Since there is no reference in the text to the actual heading of the photos as reference shot "X" etc I didn't notice at first that after the summary photo in Figure 22-4 they became staggered between the Figure# and the Reference shot# once you turn the page to 132. My bad. That's a nice chapter by the way.

JC
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JC,
No problem - it IS a textbook that does unfortunately require a lot of work to use....hell, if it was easy, then everybody would be great :-). That chapter is AWESOME! It was developed by Jerry Briesath - really only an approximation of cue ball paths; BUT very close to reality if you can strike the ball accurately.

I've seen Jerry give this "hanger" lesson in the AZB room at DCC (Executive West). Initially it was to 3 or 4 novice players....by the end of the lesson there were 12 people including a couple of mid-level pros and a couple of elite pros and 2 Hall of Famer's watching. One HOF'er said, "DAMN, I wish I knew that 40 years ago."

If you set up that reference shot and ask 100 amateurs how to get position on the 9, you will NOT find very many that can actually do it. Shoot 10 their way, and 10 Jerry's way and you will see the huge difference. Very cool little chapter; not found in any pool book ever (but it IS on Jerry's DVD which is one of the "required" resources for serious players).
 
DaveK said:
WHAT ???? :mad: Cancel my order !!! :angry:

Dave <-- only does easy

PS KIDDING ... in reality I am looking forward to getting my copy :thumbup:
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DK,
Too funny.

The only even remotely negative criticism I have heard so far has been from 2 pro players who thought the book shouldn't point out that pool is really difficult to play well. They thought players would be discouraged if they knew they had to work super hard to get good. This type of attitude is one of many things that has held back the sport.

Mark believes far more players become discouraged by trying hard for a few months and not really progressing - not realizing how difficult the game is, and not having a method which would assure they would be continuously improving. It IS possible to hit a lot of balls and not get good.

So far I believe most readers are a bit inspired by the realistic approach of the book.

I'm sending your book to St. Louis this week, then Mark will sign it and send it to you...first available dog sled.
 
Thanks To JoeyA For This Thread

JoeyA said:
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I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime and I doubt that you have or will either.

The two of them have created the ultimate textbook on pocket billiards. ...........

JoeyA
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After reading this thread, I ordered and just received the book.... I'm glad I did.

Mark and Donald have created a classic as far as I'm concerned. All I can say is "I wish this book had been availible to me 50 years ago!".

I've only read the first six chapters so far, but it's enough to know that the approach to teaching is well suited to me.
The writing style is captivating. The explanations are easily understood, and more detailed than other books and videos that I've come across.

I ordered this book after it was recommended by JoeyA and Neil here at AZB. I also see that the book is on Scott Lees Christmas list,
and I'm curious what he thinks (even though I already have it, I value his opinion).

The book seemed a bit pricey at first, but once I started reading it, now seems to be a real bargain.

I like the fact that this book doesn't promise an easy fix for what you need to make dramatic improvements.

As quoted from the book . Play Great Pool . by Mark Wilson and Donald Warnell
....... . "The cost of improvement is much greater than the dollars you spend. The largest expense is the time and effort you must put forth."


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I'm still working on my stroke and stance--changing that takes time. But one thing from the book that works really well right away, at least for me, is to aim my eyes steadily up and down the path of the cue ball. Long, straight shots are going in more regularly, even off the rail.

And yes, there's a lot more in the book. Easily worth the price in my opinion!
 
I'd like to order your book from overseas and will pay whatever it costs to have it shipped (to Japan). Would that be possible?

Cheers,
Vic
 
Redneck Jim...My copy awaits my return to FL...so I'll have to wait a while to read it. I've known Mark a really long time...decades...and taught with him, and Jerry Briesath 20 years ago. I think Mark's line of thinking and teaching, and mine, run pretty close to one another. I am excited to read it nonetheless. :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Redneck Jim said:
After reading this thread, I ordered and just received the book.... I'm glad I did.

Mark and Donald have created a classic as far as I'm concerned. All I can say is "I wish this book had been availible to me 50 years ago!".

I've only read the first six chapters so far, but it's enough to know that the approach to teaching is well suited to me.
The writing style is captivating. The explanations are easily understood, and more detailed than other books and videos that I've come across.

I ordered this book after it was recommended by JoeyA and Neil here at AZB. I also see that the book is on Scott Lees Christmas list,
and I'm curious what he thinks (even though I already have it, I value his opinion).

The book seemed a bit pricey at first, but once I started reading it, now seems to be a real bargain.

I like the fact that this book doesn't promise an easy fix for what you need to make dramatic improvements.

As quoted from the book . Play Great Pool . by Mark Wilson and Donald Warnell
....... . "The cost of improvement is much greater than the dollars you spend. The largest expense is the time and effort you must put forth."


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I just received my copy today. Despite a poor job of packaging (I would've liked some crumpled newpaper at least), the book arrived in it's shrink wrap looking amazingly new.

For those of you that think $70 is too much for "only" a 240 page book, I can assure you that the book's format is large and the type size is small. The paper that is used inside the covers appears to be of good quality, as does the printing. The layout, design and graphics all look modern and professional. There are enough pictures and diagrams sprinkled throughout the text where if you are not in the mood to read, you could be quite satisfied thumbing through and just looking at all the visuals.

It is the only pool book I would consider bringing with me in case I were ever asked, "If you knew that you were going to prison for a few years and could only bring 3 books, which 3 would you bring?" And it is the first book in awhile that I've felt compelled to open properly, as per my 3rd grade librarian's instruction.

IMHO, This life's work, this Magnum Opus of a pool book is worth much more than today's asking price. If they don't print more after the initial run of 1000 is over, I wouldn't be surprised to see it selling for 2-3 times its currrent price. I believe It is destined to be that kind of a book.

Cheers,

Fred
 
Scott Lee said:
Redneck Jim...My copy awaits my return to FL...so I'll have to wait a while to read it. I've known Mark a really long time...decades...and taught with him, and Jerry Briesath 20 years ago. I think Mark's line of thinking and teaching, and mine, run pretty close to one another. I am excited to read it nonetheless. :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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SL,
Please give us some feedback if you will....improvements are always possible. One of the VERY ambitious goals of the book (stated in the "How to Use this Book" section) was for it to be of value not only to all levels of players, but to instructors as well. If I was the one teaching a college or high school course in pool, I can't think of a better resource for the student.
 
fd_colorado said:
.............It is the only pool book I would consider bringing with me in case I were ever asked, "If you knew that you were going to prison for a few years and could only bring 3 books, which 3 would you bring?"...............

Cheers,

Fred
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Fred,
Too funny!!! Thanks for the feedback, I will mention the packaging issue to Mark.

Though we've had a lot of generally good feedback so far, this is the BEST recommendation I can think of (though hoping you don't have to choose those 3 books for real :-)).
 
Williebetmore said:
Fred,
Too funny!!! Thanks for the feedback, I will mention the packaging issue to Mark.

Though we've had a lot of generally good feedback so far, this is the BEST recommendation I can think of (though hoping you don't have to choose those 3 books for real :-)).
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Personally, under those circumstances, I'd go with "Play Great Pool," "King Lear" and "The Grapes of Wrath," but wouldn't the typical prison library have these obvious classics anyway?
 
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