Beginner Needs Advice Again

http://youtu.be/KYDCieik-UU

Here is a video of me shooting the situation, with various different approaches. In all cases I'm trying to get the CB to the same place, that leads to stop shot position if you land perfectly, or a simple cut if you don't. I liked going 1 rail straight across the table like my first few tries best. Just a rolling cue ball.

I'm a C player, so don't take my choice as the be all end all choice:)
 
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Thumbs up for these types of threads from here as well.

Myself, I like following two rails for the position for making 7 to the side pocket. If you get a bit short or out of line, you still can shoot the 7 the the low right corner, or if you get too far, one of the left pockets should be available. And if you get only a bit off, there are several easy ways to play 7 in the side with perfect leave for 9.

Any way to play position for the 7 in the upper left pocket are risky, since if short, you may bump the 10 with the following shot, and if you go too far, it will be a difficult long shot to a blind pocket.

This is only my opinion though, and suited for my level and type of play (which is not that great.)

Edit. iusedtoberich's post just above gave a much better answer than I did, in a form of a great video, showing the problems and advantages with some of the suggestions.
 
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http://youtu.be/RiZtT7pANNg

OP again.

Here I am shooting the exercise the way that seemed easiest to me. Bear in mind my skills are not great.

And my video skills leave a lot to be desired.

And bear in mind what actresses and models will tell you, the camera adds 50 pounds.

Mike

P.S. Skratch, I could not shoot it your way. I tried a variety of positions and shot types but I could not get the CB to roll between the 7 and the 12.
 
Takumike said:
http://youtu.be/RiZtT7pANNg

OP again.

Here I am shooting the exercise the way that seemed easiest to me. Bear in mind my skills are not great.

And my video skills leave a lot to be desired.

And bear in mind what actresses and models will tell you, the camera adds 50 pounds.

Mike

P.S. Skratch, I could not shoot it your way. I tried a variety of positions and shot types but I could not get the CB to roll between the 7 and the 12.
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Like I mentioned, it was dead rails. The table you're shooting on might be better than the one I was.
 
Neil said:
As a beginner, you need to practice all the options shown until you are comfortable with them. Later, you will learn that there are still more options that haven't been shown.
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I don't usually stick with one problem for that long. I do this every night--4 balls on the table, shoot them in order, repeat until it's easy. Sometimes it's 10 minutes, the worst ever went 3 days. On that one three of the four positions were really tricky (for me <--note) and I had really trouble executing all four shots in one sequence. I could do about any two of them at once and sometimes three, but it took me forever to do all four in a row a few times. The skills needed were beyond my level.

It's nice when they're interesting, and I always learn a LOT when I put one up on AZB. (Always more than I asked for.) So this is good fun too.

I should post these more often.

Mike
 
iusedtoberich said:
http://youtu.be/KYDCieik-UU

Here is a video of me shooting the situation, with various different approaches. In all cases I'm trying to get the CB to the same place, that leads to stop shot position if you land perfectly, or a simple cut if you don't. I liked going 1 rail straight across the table like my first few tries best. Just a rolling cue ball.

I'm a C player, so don't take my choice as the be all end all choice:)
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That's great, thanks. I must be a D player because I would doubt my ability to go to the end rail and back shooting the 7.

Mike
 
Takumike said:
http://youtu.be/RiZtT7pANNg

OP again.

Here I am shooting the exercise the way that seemed easiest to me. Bear in mind my skills are not great.

And my video skills leave a lot to be desired.

And bear in mind what actresses and models will tell you, the camera adds 50 pounds.

Mike

P.S. Skratch, I could not shoot it your way. I tried a variety of positions and shot types but I could not get the CB to roll between the 7 and the 12.
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That's an easy way, but the first shot you took is very dependent on the speed. You come pretty close to the 7, so you can get right on it, hit it, not go past it, especially on a table you don't play every day on. I don't think anyone suggested going across the table for the 7 unless I missed one. But then again, all the shots that were shown also depend on a bit of a stroke with knowledge or spin, where your game looks to be in the hit level and on the soft side.

Great mechanics so far though, you bring the cue though the ball very well.
 
hang-the-9 said:
...I don't think anyone suggested going across the table for the 7 unless I missed one. ....
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That's the way I liked when i first saw the picture.

To the OP, good shooting:) Another thing you can do (on this 1 rail cross table route) is give yourself slightly more cut angle on the 1st ball. This will allow you to place the CB closer, and you will be leaning more across the table, instead of diagonally across the table. You'll have to hit the shot softer to get the CB in the same place, but it will probably feel better for you, and you should be more comfortable in your stance.

Anytime you have BIH, try to get yourself less than 1 foot from the OB. Being close always increases your accuracy (unless it causes stance problems). And on that first shot, you want to give yourself the best chance of success, since you have BIH.
 
Place CB to right of 2 ball , shoot into lower left corner and draw it back level with the nine ball across the table.
Shoot the 9 in with stop english
Shoot the 10 in with slow follow to shoot a comfy angle into the near side.
Pie!!!!

Cheers!
 
OP here again--just one more video to wrap this up....

http://youtu.be/uAnXjRx8wnE

Should be self-explanatory. :thumbup:

Mike

P.S. And thanks for all the help, it really helped. I was good and frustrated last night. I'm not very good at position play.
 
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bbb said:
2 more options
the goal is to get to where the white lines are
2 rails or stun (maybe draw with alittle right english)across
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No right english here... With the force you will be using on this stun/draw (red path), contact-induced english will automatically be picked up.. If you put any additional english on the CB, you may end up spinning "underneath" the OB and have to cut it backwards into the side, assuming you come up with a shot at all.

I don't like the yellow path at all.. It has a small target zone to end up with an easy shot.. Come up 6 inches short, and the shot gets a lot tougher..

Your first suggestion was best.. Play to the center of the table...

Note on that shot... I think minimal english should be used on that one as well... Move the angle as needed by adjusting the amount of draw and stroke.. Putting outside english on this ball unless absolutely necessary will cause problems when moving from a slow to t fast table, and vise versa.. :grin-square:

Short Bus Russ - C player...
 
That's not a bad drill but I prefer equal offense. Rack 15, break bih behind head string. Inning lasts until you miss with a maximum score of 20. To reach 20 you must execute a 14.1 break and continue. Play 10 innings. Keep score in a notebook.


This has several advantages over drills. For one you aren't shooting the same shot repeatedly, you are seeing a variety of random shots which require pocketing and position skills. Additionally you are able to track your progress over time by keeping score. When you see your score improving it is motivation to continue. For a lot of beginners running the rack and executing the 14.1 break shot to achieve a score of 20 seems impossible but when they stick with it and get to where they can do that with regularity it is a good feeling and proof positive their game is improved.

For beginners I recommend marking down your score after a miss and continuing to shoot until all the balls are gone while keeping track of how many times you miss before all the balls are gone.
 
bbb said:
low left to center of table being sure to come far enough to be on the correct side of the 7
if hit perfect you will have stop shots on the 7,9,10
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This is the correct answer for a number of reasons. The main reason though is because that position on the first ball is the proper angle you will need time and again. You are setting up with ball in hand a baseline shot that you must master to play good rotation pool. You should practice shots like that with only that ball on the table until you can return the cue ball to center table 95% of the time.

JC
 
JC said:
This is the correct answer for a number of reasons. The main reason though is because that position on the first ball is the proper angle you will need time and again. You are setting up with ball in hand a baseline shot that you must master to play good rotation pool. You should practice shots like that with only that ball on the table until you can return the cue ball to center table 95% of the time.

JC
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I agree you should know that shot very well.

But in this particular layout situation I think that shot is not the best one. Its not a natural position line. You hit it a hair to long, and you are cutting the 7 a lot. You hit it a hair to short, and you are sending the CB towards the 9 and 10 when cutting the 7. If you get straight on the 7 or close to straight the shot is excellent. But there are better places to leave the CB for the 7 that leaves a larger margin of error to get there.
 
alstl said:
That's not a bad drill but I prefer equal offense. Rack 15, break bih behind head string. Inning lasts until you miss with a maximum score of 20. To reach 20 you must execute a 14.1 break and continue. Play 10 innings. Keep score in a notebook.
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After my first lesson with Jerry he had me playing EO a *lot*. His rules for me were that I took ball in hand after every miss and kept going to 15, to a maximum of 4 balls-in-hand, keeping score for ten tables. So a perfect score would be 150. Then when I got to the point that I was scoring 140 or more for 10 tables, four or five times, then I went down to 3 balls-in-hand per rack. And so on.

I still play it a lot and almost always run out the 15 with one or two misses. But most of those misses happen near the end of the rack, which is why he suggested I do this runout drill once a day.

Oh, and while playing EO, he suggested I stop and repeat a shot whenever I found one I didn't understand or needed to practice. So for instance if I try low left and it turns out not to be the thing to do, I have to replace the balls and try it again until I find the right shot to play.

I do a lot of other drills too, some of which I made up. (Although I'm sure nothing is new.) One is: throw all the balls on the table. Using any ball as a cue ball, pocket that ball off any object ball. The object ball has to come back out if it goes into a pocket. This really teaches you the tangent line. It also helps you to not scratch!

Mike the Beginner
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I agree you should know that shot very well.

But in this particular layout situation I think that shot is not the best one. Its not a natural position line. You hit it a hair to long, and you are cutting the 7 a lot. You hit it a hair to short, and you are sending the CB towards the 9 and 10 when cutting the 7. If you get straight on the 7 or close to straight the shot is excellent. But there are better places to leave the CB for the 7 that leaves a larger margin of error to get there.
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I'm actually kind of glad to see that better players are debating what the correct shot from the 2 to get on the 7 should be. I was really puzzled about it before starting this thread.

Today I am still trying some of the suggestions.

Mike the Beginner
 
iusedtoberich said:
That's the way I liked when i first saw the picture.

To the OP, good shooting:) Another thing you can do (on this 1 rail cross table route) is give yourself slightly more cut angle on the 1st ball. This will allow you to place the CB closer, and you will be leaning more across the table, instead of diagonally across the table. You'll have to hit the shot softer to get the CB in the same place, but it will probably feel better for you, and you should be more comfortable in your stance.

Anytime you have BIH, try to get yourself less than 1 foot from the OB. Being close always increases your accuracy (unless it causes stance problems). And on that first shot, you want to give yourself the best chance of success, since you have BIH.
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The trouble with coming across to the opposite rail and shooting the 7 across to the other side is that the 2 ball is 3/4 of a diamond below the ideal shape for the 7 in the side. The photo makes it look straight across from the shape zone but it not in actuality. This means you have to draw the cue ball rather than stun it which is way less reliable and harder to execute and will result in right hand (counter clockwise) spin on the ball if you hit the other rail which is easy to spin yourself into trouble with just a slight speed error. IMO this is not the correct nor reliable shot, especially for a lower level player.

JC
 
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