PRO ONE for Dummies, using *GASP* a diagram.

BeiberLvr said:
In all your exhaustive studies of the system, apparently you missed these two videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKAP8iR3Lw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Psy5hOJT0

You must have also missed the numerous posts and even videos by Stan that details how the system isn't actually a center pocket system, but instead overcuts the object ball slightly to allow for throw.

Side spin? Well, you can easily just use BHE that you're so awesome at using.

My offer to ship you DVD1 has now gone up to $50. But you can continue to be lazy and cheap, and try to have a debate with people that are much more informed and experienced than you on the subject if you'd like.
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I have watched both those videos several times. You ought to stop presuming what I have and haven't done or seen or thought.

If I buy the DVD, I will do so via Stan's site. I've been informed that there is little in it beyond what he's released via youtube, apart from some drills and kicking instruction.

Yeah, I'm handy at sidespin, here's me laring up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keznf66dSHE

BHE is a great adjunct to any aiming system that can take a player to line of centers.

As you feel it necessary to be facetious about my abilities, want to play me some 10 ball 2 rail? Gotta hit 2 rails in addition to pocketing a ball. We can make it 3 rail if you really want to test your skills.
 
Colin Colenso said:
I have watched both those videos several times. You ought to stop presuming what I have and haven't done or seen or thought.

If I buy the DVD, I will do so via Stan's site. I've been informed that there is little in it beyond what he's released via youtube, apart from some drills and kicking instruction.

Yeah, I'm handy at sidespin, here's me laring up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keznf66dSHE

BHE is a great adjunct to any aiming system that can take a player to line of centers.

As you feel it necessary to be facetious about my abilities, want to play me some 10 ball 2 rail? Gotta hit 2 rails in addition to pocketing a ball. We can make it 3 rail if you really want to test your skills.
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No problem. I was just trying to save you some money, and still make sure Stan gets paid. It's really win win for everyone.

I don't gamble, but if you keep barking long enough, I'm sure you'll find a Pro One user that might take you up on your offer.
 
Colin Colenso said:
I have watched both those videos several times. You ought to stop presuming what I have and haven't done or seen or thought.

If I buy the DVD, I will do so via Stan's site. I've been informed that there is little in it beyond what he's released via youtube, apart from some drills and kicking instruction.

Yeah, I'm handy at sidespin, here's me laring up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keznf66dSHE

BHE is a great adjunct to any aiming system that can take a player to line of centers.

As you feel it necessary to be facetious about my abilities, want to play me some 10 ball 2 rail? Gotta hit 2 rails in addition to pocketing a ball. We can make it 3 rail if you really want to test your skills.
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You were informed wrongly. DVD2 is essentially an encyclopedia of CTE and a complete precise teaching of my CTE PRO ONE all in one location. And much much much more CTE INFO for those that really use CTE and want to understand all about it.

It is a few like YOU that make me wish that I had never advanced any DVD or any YouTube videos.

Please Do not order my DVD. I have no respect for you. You toss around words like ringside circus and snake oil. Your purpose is singular and nothing more. You are interested only in tearing down CTE. TOO LATE!

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
You were informed wrongly. DVD2 is essentially an enveloped of CTE and a complete precise teaching of my CTE PRO ONE in one location. And much much much more CTE INFO for those that really use CTE and want to understand it.

It is a few like that make me wish that I had never advanced by DVD or through YouTube videos.

Stan Shuffett

Please Do not order my DVD. I have no respect for you. You toss around words like ringside circus and snake oil. Your purpose is singular and nothing more. You are interested only in testing down CTE. TOO LATE!
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Thank you for posting this.

Sorry Colin, my offer is now off the table.
 
BeiberLvr said:
No problem. I was just trying to save you some money, and still make sure Stan gets paid. It's really win win for everyone.

I don't gamble, but if you keep barking long enough, I'm sure you'll find a Pro One user that might take you up on your offer.
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Nice, I get that and appreciate the offer. Just want to keep it simple.

It's a shame I'm so far away, else I'd enjoy the challenge... not that it would prove much. I've got mates who have never heard of Pro One or CTE, nor use it unconsciously, that could pot them to smitherines. Neil Robertson for example. Currently world ranked no.1 in snooker, ex blackpool player.
 
Colin Colenso said:
Can you explain then how you establish the visuals? Stan himself has said it requires experience. I can't see the difference between that and just learning a pot line visual via lots of experience.

btw: You'd still have to adjust for throw, and if you use side english, for squirt and swerve also. But sure, if one can get to the line of centers to the pocket, the game becomes much easier.
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I have not received my dvd2 copy yet but I practice cte pro one since 2011. I had to practice hard and by myself. If I could, I would take lessons from Stan. Of course I have not mastered the system, but I think with dvd2 study I will be close.

Colin, I have to say that in my opinion the hit that is produced when you play "on system" deals with throw and you don't need to adjust. It has to do with the visuals (offset) and the rotation that follows. It is not like aiming on a straight "pot line" and put a hair of outside spin to adjust for throw. The system does this for you. In other words the cb-ob contact is different.
 
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stan shuffett said:
You were informed wrongly, Colin. DVD2 is essentially an encyclopedia of CTE and a complete precise teaching of my CTE PRO ONE all in one location. And much much much more CTE INFO for those that really use CTE and want to understand all about it.

It is a few like that make me wish that I had never advanced any DVD or any YouTube videos.

Please Do not order my DVD. I have no respect for you. You toss around words like ringside circus and snake oil. Your purpose is singular and nothing more. You are interested only in tearing down CTE. TOO LATE!

Stan Shuffett
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stan shuffett said:
You were informed wrongly. DVD2 is essentially an encyclopedia of CTE and a complete precise teaching of my CTE PRO ONE all in one location. And much much much more CTE INFO for those that really use CTE and want to understand all about it.

It is a few like that make me wish that I had never advanced any DVD or any YouTube videos.

Please Do not order my DVD. I have no respect for you. You toss around words like ringside circus and snake oil. Your purpose is singular and nothing more. You are interested only in tearing down CTE. TOO LATE!

Stan Shuffett
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The essence of the religion unfolds.

Incapable of debate without shunning any who question the dogma.

Whatever you think of me and some of the experienced analysts of the physics of pool, I think it's fair to say that we respect your contributions, and considerable efforts.

Not trying to win you over, but it's not my purpose to degrade yourself, your work or the opinions of CTE'ers.
 
DVD2 is a LOT more than what's on YouTube.

Stan, don't let people dissuade you. This is going to be a classic dvd that in time will be regarded as one of the most important in pool. Please keep your eyes on the thousands you have helped and dont' be discouraged by critics.

The past two weeks I have been complimented more times than I can count on both my shot making and my banking. It's ALL because of your information.

Remember that everything has critics. As silly as this sounds coming from me as I am probably the most sensitive to criticism on this forum, I also know what it means to put everything you are into something so trust me, the people who benefit from your work are truly truly truly grateful.

It's not about faith - you have done your best to reconcile with those who put you down in this video and inject their "pool-sense" into the lessons. Those who are bent and criticizing you without even viewing the information are not going to see this.

I am going to speculate that Colin has a few whispering in his ear and using him to bring all this up again. He has been gone for a while and may not know that we have moved well beyond the arguments he is now raising. Pat is banned and Lou knows enough to stay away and you have weathered all the critics and put out groundbreaking information.

Colin, I know you love pool but you have always been more on the anti-system side and Dr. Dave and others have your "systems get you close" theory to lean on for years. But the fact is that it doesn't just get you close, it gets you exact.

Here is a video I did a while back using parallel shots. Stan does this several times on his DVD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9e6NuNteE&list=PLSKV5CK_fziXC5F0oQJJ-yV7pAtT334y9&index=10

This is done with no adjustment, same exact movements each time.
 
ps611846 said:
I have not received my dvd2 copy yet but I practice cte pro one since 2011. I had to practice hard and by myself. If I could, I would take lessons from Stan. Of course I have not mastered the system, but I think with dvd2 study I will be close.

Colin, I have to say that in my opinion the hit that is produced when you play "on system" deals with throw and you don't need to adjust. It has to do with the visuals (offset) and the rotation that follows. It is not like aiming on a straight "pot line" and put a hair of outside spin to adjust for throw. The system does this for you. In other words the cb-ob contact is different.
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Thanks ps etc:-)

That makes sense. I've heard that in DVD 2 Stan says that throw is accounted for. I'm not sure of the context, so won't make a deal about it.

On some shots, eg. soft stun and soft outside english on fullish shots, the throw deviation can be 6 inches either way of the line of centers over 8 feet of OB travel.

Not saying that Pro One ignores that, it's a fringe consideration, like english to effect banks, which I believe Stan and others recognize.
 
Colin Colenso said:
The essence of the religion unfolds.

Incapable of debate without shunning any who question the dogma.

Whatever you think of me and some of the experienced analysts of the physics of pool, I think it's fair to say that we respect your contributions, and considerable efforts.

Not trying to win you over, but it's not my purpose to degrade yourself, your work or the opinions of CTE'ers.
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You have been transparent every step of the way since you first commented to Gerry. I knew where you were headed.

Like Dave S., you are going back in time a few years. It amazes me that you are INCAPABLE of learning CTE PRO ONE. You are supposed to be a genius. Lol

You come on here with your meaningless 2 dimension crap that shows zero.

I have put my material out:?2 DVDS, 100s of CTE post here that virtually answer every question that could be asked. Then I put up 3 dozen YouTube videos. My position is CLEAR and need not have to say another word particularly to YOU.

ALSO JB IS RIGHT. YOU ARE A PUPPET OF OTHERS. JB hit that nail right on the head!
Stan Shuffett
 
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Your point of view is biased Stan.....Have you taken a look at the point in the video to try to see if it was possible. You only seemed to have keyed in on the what you may have considered negitive?

A machice on the end of cue would preform this the same every time..So what is the variable ? The shooter, stroke,speed, 1/2 tip or maybe only 1/8 or 3/4 on final stroke hit location varies.

Without seeing pocket location and rail one would not be able to decide A, C, or 7/8th or the pocket to call (must call that pocket in most cases). I remember you saying it may not go in the pocket you wish or think but it will go in a pocket.

My view may change as time goes on and I put more time into the system...But the mathamatical side of my brain says that particular shot will always be true if shot true.


There are others but my point was not to pick it apart your work but to point out you that there are many variables in the game of pool. If this works for you and others SUPER isn't that the point.
 
croscoe said:
Your point of view is biased Stan.....Have you taken a look at the point in the video to try to see if it was possible. You only seemed to have keyed in on the what you may have considered negitive?

A machice on the end of cue would preform this the same every time..So what is the variable ? The shooter, stroke,speed, 1/2 tip or maybe only 1/8 or 3/4 on final stroke hit location varies.

Without seeing pocket location and rail one would not be able to decide A, C, or 7/8th or the pocket to call (must call that pocket in most cases). I remember you saying it may not go in the pocket you wish or think but it will go in a pocket.

My view may change as time goes on and I put more time into the system...But the mathamatical side of my brain says that particular shot will always be true if shot true.


There are others but my point was not to pick it apart your work but to point out you that there are many variables in the game of pool. If this works for you and others SUPER isn't that the point.
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JB Cases said:
DVD2 is a LOT more than what's on YouTube.

Stan, don't let people dissuade you. This is going to be a classic dvd that in time will be regarded as one of the most important in pool. Please keep your eyes on the thousands you have helped and dont' be discouraged by critics.

The past two weeks I have been complimented more times than I can count on both my shot making and my banking. It's ALL because of your information.

Remember that everything has critics. As silly as this sounds coming from me as I am probably the most sensitive to criticism on this forum, I also know what it means to put everything you are into something so trust me, the people who benefit from your work are truly truly truly grateful.

It's not about faith - you have done your best to reconcile with those who put you down in this video and inject their "pool-sense" into the lessons. Those who are bent and criticizing you without even viewing the information are not going to see this.

I am going to speculate that Colin has a few whispering in his ear and using him to bring all this up again. He has been gone for a while and may not know that we have moved well beyond the arguments he is now raising. Pat is banned and Lou knows enough to stay away and you have weathered all the critics and put out groundbreaking information.

Colin, I know you love pool but you have always been more on the anti-system side and Dr. Dave and others have your "systems get you close" theory to lean on for years. But the fact is that it doesn't just get you close, it gets you exact.

Here is a video I did a while back using parallel shots. Stan does this several times on his DVD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9e6NuNteE&list=PLSKV5CK_fziXC5F0oQJJ-yV7pAtT334y9&index=10

This is done with no adjustment, same exact movements each time.
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Hi John,
Hadn't seen that video of yours. I saw one recently where you performed 3 long shots from about 5 to 20 degrees. Nice shooting and I appreciate your efforts, even though it's not always clear to me as any proof. Don't mean that to discourage your efforts. One thing for sure is you're hitting them pretty well.

Let me say I've had no one in my ear, just a few people giving their own feedback on their experiences. People who are cautious to air their doubts publicly. I've known for years what the opinions of some of the physics experts are. I've talked to none of them regarding this thread.

Perhaps as Dave Segal says, that I am contrarian by nature is true, but I think it's healthy for any debate for there to be a devil's advocate. It helps to refine the argument toward truth. {edit} A better understanding... for some... would be a better term.
 
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Colin Colenso said:
Hi John,
Hadn't seen that video of yours. I saw one recently where you performed 3 long shots from about 5 to 20 degrees. Nice shooting and I appreciate your efforts, even though it's not always clear to me as any proof. Don't mean that to discourage your efforts. One thing for sure is you're hitting them pretty well.

Let me say I've had no one in my ear, just a few people giving their own feedback on their experiences. People who are cautious to air their doubts publicly. I've known for years what the opinions of some of the physics experts are. I've talked to none of them regarding this thread.

Perhaps as Dave Segal says, that I am contrarian by nature is true, but I think it's healthy for any debate for there to be a devil's advocate. It helps to refine the argument toward truth.
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The TRUTH is out! Live with it.

Stan Shuffett
 
It is silly to be debating anything at this point. The system works and works very well!

There isn't a shot I play that I am not using Pro One - of course when using siding there may be a minor adjustment but that is true of any system. I prefer to spend my time becoming more proficient at Pro One (each day) than arguing with people that have not put in the effort or table time. I am not saying that is you Colin but it is starting to sound like it man.

I don't know how much proof people need, like JB said in a thread a while back - there are tonnes of videos showing Pro One working well - one of my personal favourites was watching Landon take it to Earl on the 10 footer :)

Colin - what is your personal best on your aiming workout?

Stan - Merry Xmas to you guys - I hope you are all together for the break. With Landon focusing on school you can probably give him the 7 now and I hope he sees this :)

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Colin Colenso said:
Hi John,
Hadn't seen that video of yours. I saw one recently where you performed 3 long shots from about 5 to 20 degrees. Nice shooting and I appreciate your efforts, even though it's not always clear to me as any proof. Don't mean that to discourage your efforts. One thing for sure is you're hitting them pretty well.

Let me say I've had no one in my ear, just a few people giving their own feedback on their experiences. People who are cautious to air their doubts publicly. I've known for years what the opinions of some of the physics experts are. I've talked to none of them regarding this thread.

Perhaps as Dave Segal says, that I am contrarian by nature is true, but I think it's healthy for any debate for there to be a devil's advocate. It helps to refine the argument toward truth.
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No problem with being devil's advocate but when you use terms like religion, and other language that implies that it's more subconscious adjustment than something concrete then it's the same old arguments started more than a decade ago.

What Stan has done and what I have done and others have done is to take every single challenge presented. Every proposed ball placement that naysayers have said can't possibly work has been taken to video and shown to work well within the frame work of the system.

We have all worked out with hundreds of shots. Dave scored the highest on your potting test and to my knowledge none of the naysayers even dared to try it.

In other words we have OBJECTIVELY taken all the criticism to the table and put the results on video.
 
Gerry Williams said:
It is silly to be debating anything at this point. The system works and works very well!

There isn't a shot I play that I am not using Pro One - of course when using siding there may be a minor adjustment but that is true of any system. I prefer to spend my time becoming more proficient at Pro One (each day) than arguing with people that have not put in the effort or table time. I am not saying that is you Colin but it is starting to sound like it man.

I don't know how much proof people need, like JB said in a thread a while back - there are tonnes of videos showing Pro One working well - one of my personal favourites was watching Landon take it to Earl on the 10 footer :)

Colin - what is your personal best on your aiming workout?

Stan - Merry Xmas to you guys - I hope you are all together for the break. With Landon focusing on school you can probably give him the 7 now and I hope he sees this :)

Cheers,
Gerry
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Hey Gerry !!! What do you mean give Landon the 7 ??? Noooooo wayyyyyyyyyy !!!!! You have seen him running those 4 9ball racks (what a break he has.......). He is in good shape !!!!!!!!
 
JB Cases said:
DVD2 is a LOT more than what's on YouTube.

Stan, don't let people dissuade you. This is going to be a classic dvd that in time will be regarded as one of the most important in pool. Please keep your eyes on the thousands you have helped and dont' be discouraged by critics.

The past two weeks I have been complimented more times than I can count on both my shot making and my banking. It's ALL because of your information.

Remember that everything has critics. As silly as this sounds coming from me as I am probably the most sensitive to criticism on this forum, I also know what it means to put everything you are into something so trust me, the people who benefit from your work are truly truly truly grateful.

It's not about faith - you have done your best to reconcile with those who put you down in this video and inject their "pool-sense" into the lessons. Those who are bent and criticizing you without even viewing the information are not going to see this.

I am going to speculate that Colin has a few whispering in his ear and using him to bring all this up again. He has been gone for a while and may not know that we have moved well beyond the arguments he is now raising. Pat is banned and Lou knows enough to stay away and you have weathered all the critics and put out groundbreaking information.

Colin, I know you love pool but you have always been more on the anti-system side and Dr. Dave and others have your "systems get you close" theory to lean on for years. But the fact is that it doesn't just get you close, it gets you exact.

Here is a video I did a while back using parallel shots. Stan does this several times on his DVD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9e6NuNteE&list=PLSKV5CK_fziXC5F0oQJJ-yV7pAtT334y9&index=10

This is done with no adjustment, same exact movements each time.
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Do not worry. I will NOT. What you are seeing is likely a last dismal attempt at trying to make CTE go away.

SOME CAN NOT STAND IT THAT CTE IS GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME!

Stan Shuffett
 
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