Did you look at the link I provided? What you think is happening isn't what is actually happening. Unless you have a very tight grip, which one shouldn't have.
DRAW STROKE: Dropping your elbow or not.
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Did you look at the link I provided? What you think is happening isn't what is actually happening. Unless you have a very tight grip, which one shouldn't have.
Judd has a very accurate and powerful stroke for sure. I
f one doesn't think so, speed forward toward the end of the video.
He was fun to watch.
JoeyA
As we are both from Bristol had the pleasure of playing Judd a few times
his dad Steve and younger brother Jack.
I believe he played 8 ball pool at 8 years of age, then snooker at 9 or 10.
Played with a shortened cue due to his height and because he could
not reach the table he had to lift his elbow up and to the side, this gradually dropped
to normal as he grew taller.
The old club owner had a bet with the bookies many years ago that Judd would
be world champion by the age of 21, was given very good odds and stood to win
£20,000.00. Came close!
Does he still play? I don't follow snooker some I am at a loss to know. I do like his power stroke.
JoeyA
Check out the first 5 frames if you don't have time for the entire match
6th frame is pretty good too. :grin::grin::grin:
Part of my post in "What's your favorite full match" thread
2012 Shanghai Masters
Final
John Higgins vs Judd Trump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ZW5nh5FD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87xBGYFB2Og
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRUf4efem1M
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The Naughty Screw
Starring
Judd Trump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxk8tBnuP0
(translating from Brit to American - The Naughty Draw)
Starring
Judd Trump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxk8tBnuP0
(translating from Brit to American - The Naughty Draw)
The Naughty Screw
Starring
Judd Trump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxk8tBnuP0
(translating from Brit to American - The Naughty Draw)
He would make for a great pool player.
JoeyA:smile:
Now why on earth would he choose to be flat broke and sleeping on someones couch
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...lasts-critics-for-claiming-hes-all-style.html
Now why on earth would he choose to be flat broke and sleeping on someones couch
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...lasts-critics-for-claiming-hes-all-style.html
Point taken. I will chauffeur him in his Ferrari.
JoeyA
If you were shooting one-handed, then yes, the tip would be rising. Since you are using a brdige with your other hand, and cradling the cue with your back hand, you do not get the rise of the tip.
Your bridge hand acts as a fulcrum. Since the fulcrum is not centered, but off to one end, you can have a lot of movement at the back hand with very little movement at the tip. Now, you add in that with a loose cradle grip that the cue will rock across the fingers, starting at the forefinger at the back of the backstroke, and ending on the little finger or ring finger, that also tends to level out the cue so you don't get much of an arc at all.
Those two things combined together mean that the cue travels straight for several inches, as Greg Cantrall proved with his device. In fact, you state that the tip will be rising at contact, actually, if your bridge is too long, the tip will really be going down, not up, at contact. And, as his diagram shows, that downward movement is so slight that it is of no consequence.
Well you might be right, but on this shot a rising tip (or the technique I describe) helps avoid the kiss without having to feather the ball. You can hit the ball slightly fuller. And of course I've had people argue this point as well such as Robert Byrne who said BS, set it up and proceeded to feather the ball. It was taught to me by 2 time Natl Champ Harry Sims who was taught this by Allen Gilbert 4 times Natl Champion. I can't argue with their success.
The point is not that the tip is massively rising only that it is, no matter how small. I know your arguing that it isn't at all. Guess we'll just have to let it lay there.
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One observation, and I'll let it go and you are free to think what you will about it.
You seem to equate being able to do something with knowing exactly what actually is being done. That is not always true in pool. You need look no farther than a certain pros postings in this forum for that proof.
What you are actually saying, is that you can feel a .015" rise in the tip of your cue, and that it has a noticable effect on the balls reaction. That means that while everyone else is striving to hit a 1mm area on the cb, You are not only doing that, but you are accurately controlling a .3809 mm rise in your tip at contact. Sorry, don't believe for a second that is true.
(the .015" comes from the variation of the stroke in Gre Cantralls machine, which by nature is repeatable and exact everytime, unlike a human shooter)
The motion is like releasing a hammer, un-cocking the wrist down.
The motion is like releasing a hammer, un-cocking the wrist down.....not "up". Like many things in pool this is the opposite of what's "natural," - Our bodies were not designed to play games like pool and golf well......SO...."If it feels right, it's probably wrong".
I wrote this post on the subject a while back:
There appear to be three different techniques for the wrist to assist the pocket billiards stroke. The first one is the wrists don't do much at all, the second is they cock up as you hit the cue ball and finish the stroke and the other is the wrists uncock down as the cue ball is struck and the follow through is completed.
The way I play is definitely with the wrists cocking down as I contact the cue ball. I have been committed to this technique the last couple of days and it's amazing the results. The thing about my technique is I can pre cock my wrists very precisely and that was how I consistently produce powerful stoke shots with such accuracy. This, ironically is what I've been struggling with the most. I seemed to have lost my "power source" that effortlessly produced pin point accuracy when striking the cue ball.
Many of you will not benefit from this information (because the way you use your wrists work fine for you), and others will benefit immensely when you're still searching to improve your stroke and accuracy.
I personally found a missing part to my "personal puzzle" and I'm surprised I didn't "real eyes" how important this technique was for me. Sometimes the simplest answers complete the most complex problems {for myself}.
For some reason my "reasonable" mind says "use outside english", however a "Touch of Inside" produces best results, and my mind says "don't use the wrists", however uncocking my wrists like I'm using a hammer is most effective, and my mind says "root against my opponent" when pulling for my opponent works best. The key to life seems to be making myself do {at times} what I least "naturally" want to do. As I get "more experienced" I see this "unwritten law" unfolding in many areas.
The Moral of the story? "Reasonable" thoughts and techniques can often be the wrong thoughts and techniques to reach the highest levels. To separate yourself you must be "Unreasonable" at times. :wink: 'The Game is the Teacher'
The motion is like releasing a hammer, un-cocking the wrist down.....not "up". Like many things in pool this is the opposite of what's "natural," - Our bodies were not designed to play games like pool and golf well......SO...."If it feels right, it's probably wrong".
I wrote this post on the subject a while back:
There appear to be three different techniques for the wrist to assist the pocket billiards stroke. The first one is the wrists don't do much at all, the second is they cock up as you hit the cue ball and finish the stroke and the other is the wrists uncock down as the cue ball is struck and the follow through is completed.
The way I play is definitely with the wrists cocking down as I contact the cue ball. I have been committed to this technique the last couple of days and it's amazing the results. The thing about my technique is I can pre cock my wrists very precisely and that was how I consistently produce powerful stoke shots with such accuracy. This, ironically is what I've been struggling with the most. I seemed to have lost my "power source" that effortlessly produced pin point accuracy when striking the cue ball.
Many of you will not benefit from this information (because the way you use your wrists work fine for you), and others will benefit immensely when you're still searching to improve your stroke and accuracy.
I personally found a missing part to my "personal puzzle" and I'm surprised I didn't "real eyes" how important this technique was for me. Sometimes the simplest answers complete the most complex problems {for myself}.
For some reason my "reasonable" mind says "use outside english", however a "Touch of Inside" produces best results, and my mind says "don't use the wrists", however uncocking my wrists like I'm using a hammer is most effective, and my mind says "root against my opponent" when pulling for my opponent works best. The key to life seems to be making myself do {at times} what I least "naturally" want to do. As I get "more experienced" I see this "unwritten law" unfolding in many areas.
The Moral of the story? "Reasonable" thoughts and techniques can often be the wrong thoughts and techniques to reach the highest levels. To separate yourself you must be "Unreasonable" at times. :wink: 'The Game is the Teacher'
.....SO...."If it feels right, it's probably wrong".
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Lol, Sounds like the nuns at a Catholic school!
Screw it...I'm never going to try to draw the ball ever again...center or top only. I'm just going to have to come up with new runout patterns that are slightly more difficult
AMEN my friend!
randyg
Fortunately most of our shots in pool can be made this way so I think I will be ok :grin:
yes but what do you do when you are too lazy to walk around the other side of the table?
Neil I'll have to agree with one thing here and that is some things are not as they seem and some things are counterintuitive in this game. That's what makes it a great game. I will disagree with your measurements. I'm not a robot and I'm not capable of realizing a .38mm rise. My eyes are not that good so it must be larger since I can see it rising. It's more like 1/2". Must not be perfect pendulum.
Now I'm done. :smile:
Go to bed earlier to prevent laziness. Sleep is goooood.
The motion is like releasing a hammer, un-cocking the wrist down.....not "up". Like many things in pool this is the opposite of what's "natural," - Our bodies were not designed to play games like pool and golf well......SO...."If it feels right, it's probably wrong".
CJ, you know I don't stir up controversy unless I am needled and you're not doing that, I know. But I thought I remembered videos and photos of you, when you were playing your best, with the wrist cocked the other way AFTER CONTACT on the cueball?
Am I remembering something that wasn't so?
Thanks,
JoeyA