Have Meucci quality improved?

Pagani said:
Meucci is a production cue and not custom cue.
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In this argument, Schon is also a production cue as well as every other cue maker thats has a definitive line of cues whether they are made by master cue builders using a lathe or with a CNC.

I'm a direct authorized Meucci distributor, I talk to them on a daily basis. Bob and his team of cue builders handcraft every cue, every inlay is set by hand.

A true production cue is made mostly by machines, with very little human interaction.

Bob will build you any cue design you desire, but as most cue makers, has his own designs that keep him in business.
 
Webbs Billiards said:
In this argument, Schon is also a production cue as well as every other cue maker thats has a definitive line of cues whether they are made by master cue builders using a lathe or with a CNC.

I'm a direct authorized Meucci distributor, I talk to them on a daily basis. Bob and his team of cue builders handcraft every cue, every inlay is set by hand.

A true production cue is made mostly by machines, with very little human interaction.

Bob will build you any cue design you desire, but as most cue makers, has his own designs that keep him in business.
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Schon is a production cue also just like Meucci Joss, Viking, McDermott, Players, Cuetec, Predator, etc, etc, etc,

Most custom cue makers don't have set designs, styles yes but set duplicated designs that they make hundreds of...no
 
Aren't Players cues built in China?
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Now don't try and tell us that Predator cues or the shafts are made in China.

Just being safetious ya know.

I also heard thru the Vines of Grapes that Kamui Chalk or a reasonable facsimile may be in the works.

Take a look around you, just about everything that we use and own these days is either made in Japan or China Land.

On the box, it may state that the product was assembled in the USA but made in China.

Serious, China is the leader in knock offs. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kamui Chalk won't be next on the list.

Some time back, I purchased a wonderful Balabushka tribute cue. They also have Szam tributes.

Well, they wouldn't fool anyone really but they are decently made and play great.
They come with 2 very decent shafts with Aegis ferrules etc. A felt bag and joint protectors.

I got these from the Wan Thai Trading Company. This same company also sells Predator, Mezz and other brands.

I am sure that the cases that they sell (dirt cheap, BTW) are knock offs but they are so very pretty.

Hahaha, every time I mention this, I get no less than 15 thousand PMs asking for the name of the company.
 
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I think there may just be some disagreement what a custom cue and what a production cue is. Some on here are defining custom cue as hand made with a unique design that won't be replicated. Those people consider a cue with a design that is replicated and sold in mass as a production cue. I think Webbs is considering Meucci as custom because, despite the same design being sold multiple times, the cue is hand made. I believe Webbs considers a production cue to be a cue that is made by a machine with little human interaction. Everyone here may just be arguing semantics so lets just chill out.
 
or1pkt said:
I think he honestly believes they are a custom cue...we ll see :D
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He had to be joking.
Who could seriously consider selling a Meucci to measureman.
You would have to be living under a rock to think that measureman would ever buy a Meucci.
If you gave measureman a Meucci for free, he would flip it and buy another shaft for his mighty Lucasi.
 
or1pkt said:
I think he honestly believes they are a custom cue...we ll see :D
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They are obviously a production cue. It is silly to suggest otherwise.

I have heard nothing but bad things about quality in recent years.

In my opinion, you are wasting your money buying a Meucci. My advice is spend about the same amount on a used custom cue.

I wish you the best of rolls,

Ken
 
Bottom line is if I pick it up off a table at an expo or order it out of a magazine it is not custom unless there is something done to it that I have requested for my own reasons. IE: Particular style of play, weight, shaft diameter, butt diameter, etc. Does not matter if you make them one at a time or turn them out at hundreds per day. The production volume or design is not what makes it custom, unless it is your design or you collaborate with a builder to make a one off design.
This is what I hate about dealers of production cues...They say they can make it a certain weight or make a shaft diameter adjustment and that makes it a custom cue. That is not custom in any way. It is still a production cue with a tweak or two done to it here and there. Guys with cars call them Hot Rods. They only become customs when they have them purpose built by a shop, or they build the car/cue themselves.
I do not consider any cue I own a custom unless it is something that I have completely gone through myself and either had it rebalanced, shaft made, pin adjusted for weight, etc. Even then it really cannot be called a custom, it's just a hot rod. If I build it myself or collaborate with a cue maker to build something for me that is my original design...Then and only then is it a true custom.
 
or1pkt said:
I think he honestly believes they are a custom cue...we ll see :D
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I've got no interest in arguments, and I apologize to the OP for the hijacking of his post on a cue that he seems to have a genuine interest. But, just for my own personal enlightenment, tell me your (or1pkt) opinion on what makes a cue a custom and how Meucci somehow isn't. I've given my reason and my experience as a Meucci distributor, so instead of us being children with a yes it is/ no its not argument, please educate me on your facts that you've been so adamant about.
Thank you in advance for your time.
 
Webbs Billiards said:
I've got no interest in arguments, and I apologize to the OP for the hijacking of his post on a cue that he seems to have a genuine interest. But, just for my own personal enlightenment, tell me your (or1pkt) opinion on what makes a cue a custom and how Meucci somehow isn't. I've given my reason and my experience as a Meucci distributor, so instead of us being children with a yes it is/ no its not argument, please educate me on your facts that you've been so adamant about.
Thank you in advance for your time.
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A custom cue is built by one cue maker to order. It is built to the customers design and specs from woods to tapers to joint types pins etc. custom cues are made in limited numbers with high quality and tight tolerances and do not have set designs and model numbers and are not carried by hundreds of internet dealers and retail stores such as yourself. Most custom cues take a considerable amount of time to build and most top tier cue makers have a list that includes a wait and can not be bought of a website and at your door in 3 days or less... Now on the contrary Meucci cues are production cues built in bulk by multiple people using sub par materials. They have set models and are sold in bulk to tons of dealers which makes them have weak value... For example if a Meucci retails for say $500 the average person that knows anything about cues or values would value it at maybe $200-250 and that's what would be paid for it, meaning no one pays retail for it cause they are discounted and simply not a custom cue and not even worth their retail. Now if someone orders a custom cue from southwest, tascarella, mottey, white, szamboti, schick, Haley, etc etc etc the cue will remain and grow in value and be an investment where a production cue such as Meucci, predator, players, Viking, schon, etc etc etc will not.

P.s. Call any true custom cue maker and ask if they have any seconds or rejects they ll sell you:D
 
Custom isn't the opposite of production. Custom is the opposite of standard, catalog, or off-the-shelf. Only pool players would bastardized such known terms.

Neither the words custom nor production guarantee anything about the quality.

Incidentally, I've owned two custom Meucci cues. My main player for years has been an off the shelf Schuler. My other main player is a custom Andy Gilbert.

Schon makes some of the highest quality low production line cues. I would have no problem calling what they make "custom cues" considering the manufacturing term.

Freddie <~~~ I'd buy the OB
 
Webbs Billiards said:
I've got no interest in arguments, and I apologize to the OP for the hijacking of his post on a cue that he seems to have a genuine interest. But, just for my own personal enlightenment, tell me your (or1pkt) opinion on what makes a cue a custom and how Meucci somehow isn't. I've given my reason and my experience as a Meucci distributor, so instead of us being children with a yes it is/ no its not argument, please educate me on your facts that you've been so adamant about.
Thank you in advance for your time.
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Also I am not trying to be argumentative or childish with my posts or responses it's just my opinion and obviously many others opinion,your a dealer/ distributor so I understand. Matter of fact I sent you a PM on jan 30th inquiring about a price for a Cue tec (which you stated in a thread that you could get the best prices on cue tec) that I had a friend looking for and you didn't even respond...so I tried to support you as a fellow AZer with your business but had no luck with that for whatever reasons
 
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or1pkt said:
A custom cue is built by one cue maker to order. It is built to the customers design and specs from woods to tapers to joint types pins etc. custom cues are made in limited numbers with high quality and tight tolerances and do not have set designs and model numbers and are not carried by hundreds of internet dealers and retail stores such as yourself. Most custom cues take a considerable amount of time to build and most top tier cue makers have a list that includes a wait and can not be bought of a website and at your door in 3 days or less... Now on the contrary Meucci cues are production cues built in bulk by multiple people using sub par materials. They have set models and are sold in bulk to tons of dealers which makes them have weak value... For example if a Meucci retails for say $500 the average person that knows anything about cues or values would value it at maybe $200-250 and that's what would be paid for it, meaning no one pays retail for it cause they are discounted and simply not a custom cue and not even worth their retail. Now if someone orders a custom cue from southwest, tascarella, mottey, white, szamboti, schick, Haley, etc etc etc the cue will remain and grow in value and be an investment where a production cue such as Meucci, predator, players, Viking, schon, etc etc etc will not.

P.s. Call any true custom cue maker and ask if they have any seconds or rejects they ll sell you:D
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I'm not saying this is all wrong, but there too much wrong about your post. And quite frankly it's unfair and downright insulting to several cue companies that you might call production.

Where do you put your definitions to someone like Jerry Olivier? South West? Samsara, Ted Harris? Your definitions won't fit. Please reconsider.

Freddie
 
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Cornerman said:
I'm not saying this is all wrong, but there too much wrong about your post. And quite frankly it's unfair and downright insulting to several cue companies that you might call production.

Where do you put your definitions to someone like Jerry Olivier? South West? Samsara, Ted Harris? Your definitions won't fit. Please reconsider.

Freddie
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I understand there are differences between cue companies and cue makers, there are grey areas I get that, I am not trying to be insulting, I am simply trying to illustrate that Meucci cues are not custom cues nor on the level of any the above mentioned cue companies/ makers...IMO of course
 
or1pkt said:
Also I am not trying to be argumentative or childish with my posts or responses it's just my opinion and obviously many others opinion,your a dealer/ distributor so I understand. Matter of fact I sent you a PM on jan 30th inquiring about a price for a Cue tec (which you stated in a thread that you could get the best prices on cue tec) that I had a friend looking for and you didn't even respond...so I tried to support you as a fellow AZer with your business but had no luck with that for whatever reasons
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PM Sent Regarding Cuetec.
 
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