US Bans sale of all ivory across state lines

That sounds good and all, but it won't happen. They'll never be able to enforce it. The Fish and Wildlife Service has already stated they won't seek to prosecute individuals selling ivory trinkets, etc. Instead they will target its law enforcement efforts towards organized traffic rings that profit from the illicit trade.
 
just got this from Joe Barringer:



Cue Components
February 12, 2014 SPECIAL ISSUE

Important announcement

This is mainly for our Cue Maker friends and those of you with Ivory cues:

Well, they did it! A new law for a ban on commercial trade of elephant ivory!

Press release:
"Today we are also announcing a ban on the commercial trade of elephant ivory"

Here's the news:
White House Fact Sheet - 2/11/14

Well, it's been real gang but it sure does look like they mean business. This may put the kibosh on all ivory products except antique ivory. According to this document, you cannot sell anything containing ivory between states. So, if you have an ivory pool cue in Florida it has to remain in Florida, forever! You can sell pre ban ivory within each state and that's it. In-other-words you can buy & sell within your own state as long as it is pre ban (June 1989) Ivory.

We'll have a regular newsletter with many specials in a few days so stay tuned.

Thank you for your time.

Kind regards,

Joe Barringer
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gutshot said:
That sounds good and all, but it won't happen. They'll never be able to enforce it. The Fish and Wildlife Service has already stated they won't seek to prosecute individuals selling ivory trinkets, etc. Instead they will target its law enforcement efforts towards organized traffic rings that profit from the illicit trade.
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That's what they always say. Then they find out that it's really hard to arrest and convict organized criminals. So, to justify their existence, they go after the easy, little fish.

Drug laws began with the same theory (we'll just prosecute the big drug pushers). Hasn't worked out that way. Never does.
 
I'm far far far from a PETA chest thumper, but I'm glad to see this. The Ivory trade is destroying a species. I have no cues with Ivory, and own nothing with Ivory.

Kind of like turtle bones to me. I found an amazing basketball sized turtle skull in the Keys, I was told don't even touch it, just report it to the local turtle museum/conservatory and they'll get it. Being found with a turtle bones even if with good intentions is a federal crime. Since they enacted it, a lot of turtles have been saved because the buyers don't even want to be found with it.
 
I've shied away from ivory in cues for personal ethical reasons already so I can't say I'm unhappy about this. I think it's time we move away from ivory as it really doesn't serve any purpose that can't easily be done by some other material. I know some people really like the feel of ivory, but the alternatives are pretty good these days.

I do have a problem with making it illegal to sell existing cues and I really hope they don't enforce that. I doubt that they will. I think we might start seeing cues listed a little differently, with ivory not explicitly called out anymore. But I can't imagine there will be anyone trolling this forum looking for people selling cues with ivory or monitoring the few small resellers who have their own websites.
 
The sad part is it will do nothing to stop the illegal trade of Ivory. Criminals will always be criminals. The honest law abiding people will have to pay the price for another attempt at legislating behavior. Has never worked and will never work.
 
gutshot said:
That sounds good and all, but it won't happen. They'll never be able to enforce it. The Fish and Wildlife Service has already stated they won't seek to prosecute individuals selling ivory trinkets, etc. Instead they will target its law enforcement efforts towards organized traffic rings that profit from the illicit trade.
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I am curious if the makers of Gibson guitars would support your belief.
 
Law enforcement finds it much easier to
punish the innocent rather than catch
guilty. That way politicians and law
enforcement can point to laws like this
and claim to be doing everything they can
to solve the problem.

The unaffected citizenry tend to go along and
even support such silliness never realizing that
once a loss of freedom is enacted it is a loss
for everyone and the government will never
willingly give it back.

The first ten amendments to the constitution
were enacted to protect the citizens from the
government. Read them. We are all going to
suffer from the ignorance of the masses who
allow the politicians and law enforcement to
ignore their sworn oaths to uphold the
constitution.

In the end, politicians, law enforcement and the
citizens will deny any and all responsibility failure.

Wait, they already do that.

Joe
 
DrGonzo said:
I hear bald eagle tastes a lot like golden eagle.
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No basis for comparison other than I think Bald Eagle tastes a lot like Spotted Owl.

Makes me glad none of my cues have ivory. More for practical reasons than anything.
I mean, when hassles from the Government can be easily avoided, it's best to do so.
I'm also happy that members of the current national administration never heard of me...
 
Wow! This could sure change this sites Wanted For Sale section. It bites for folks who have cues with ivory bought in the last 20 years. Riddle me this...how do you know if the ivory in your cue is "preban"? And what's more, how could it be proven otherwise? Seems like an enforcement nightmare. I agree that this will keep the honest honest.
 
Woof Biscuit said:
Wow! This could sure change this sites Wanted For Sale section. It bites for folks who have cues with ivory bought in the last 20 years. Riddle me this...how do you know if the ivory in your cue is "preban"? And what's more, how could it be proven otherwise? Seems like an enforcement nightmare. I agree that this will keep the honest honest.
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All Ivory has a code # (stamped on the ivory) on it,,so you will have to get a letter from the cue maker with the Code # ,,so there will be many letters written now

Kenny
 
Well- I owned cues with ivory in the past. Meanwhile, after spending some thoughts about that material, I just don´t know, what it´s good for. It´s recalcitrant, heavy and tricky to work with. The only reason I see in ivory is, that it´s easy to clean, if it´s polished.

I only have xtc on my shafts, have polished it and they are as clean, as a ivory- ferrule can be.

Sure- there are some collecters (mostly no young-guns), which come from times, when ivory was all about. But seriously- does ivory give such a special look? It raises the worth of cues, which often never are played for some guys, who have to climb a little bit higher than other do.

I let a very wellknown cuemaker have a look on a cue, asking him, of what material the inlays are made- after a minute he still wasn´t sure, if it´s ivory or elforyn. If somebody like him has to take such a long time and still isn´t sure about this, what could it be good for?

In my opinion nobody knows! Many guys try to be as the big collectors, without thinking about the why and how. And those guys are the guys who rule the market- they decide, which cuemaker is hot or not- maybe only, to increase the worth of their collection?

Don´t misunderstand me please- if I would see any need of using ivory, I would accept it, as far as it´s legal. Until then, the only reason for me to use ivory is, it´s expensive.

I apologize for my poor English...
 
Jodacus said:
Law enforcement finds it much easier to
punish the innocent rather than catch
guilty. That way politicians and law
enforcement can point to laws like this
and claim to be doing everything they can
to solve the problem.

The unaffected citizenry tend to go along and
even support such silliness never realizing that
once a loss of freedom is enacted it is a loss
for everyone and the government will never
willingly give it back.

The first ten amendments to the constitution
were enacted to protect the citizens from the
government. Read them. We are all going to
suffer from the ignorance of the masses who
allow the politicians and law enforcement to
ignore their sworn oaths to uphold the
constitution.

In the end, politicians, law enforcement and the
citizens will deny any and all responsibility failure.

Wait, they already do that.

Joe
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Very well said!!!!!!!
 
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