Could You Play For 10 K?

[JB Cases]

I seriously can't wait to see this... I don't know why I am so excited about it... but I feel like a kid in a candy store about his match...

GOING TO BE EPIC!!!
Regardless of who wins...

And on a side note... will there be any degree of security incase blows start flying? LOL

Yes I have hired Jerry Springer's security team. And Maury's DNA team will be there to test Lou's blood and figure out why he has no heart.

Actually - and I mean this - even IF Lou thinks he is stealing - which he might have thought once upon a time - I still think it takes some guts to jump from being a $25 super nit to playing for 10k and carrying other people's money into battle.

Because......you never know.....people have been known to play over their heads and favorites have been known to dog it.......little roll here and there, steal a game here and there and suddenly the dynamics change.....

Can I play for 10k? We will find out on March 18th.

 

[CreeDo]

If I come back to the east coast, I will play any game you want for $200 but only if we invite Sixshooter to watch and Hamerbacher to commentate

Man I couldn't even beat you in a pie-eating contest for $200.
What chance would I have on the table?
I didn't know you moved but let me know if you're ever in the area ^^

 

[nineballsafety8]

lol... i would bet on the pie-eating contest too

I did the big texan challenge in Amarillo (72 oz steak in under an hour)

22 minutes and licked my fingers LOL

 

[lfigueroa]

Lou I have made all that public. I don't care what others said to me about how you play them.

The idea of wearing a Cue and Cushion shirt to mess with your head is just funny to me. And it's particularly funny because you are the most sensitive prima-donna I have ever seen. I mean I am pretty thin skinned on the forum but you are 1000x worse in real life.

How could you get barred from Cue and Cushion? Such a wonderful room with a ton of history and lots of daily action. You got barred because of your smug and pompous attitude AND finally your bad review of the place. I mean they MOVED four tables around just for you. JUST FOR YOU. Because you wanted to have your favorite table in the spot that you thought it would be best for you they rearranged the pool room.

So honestly, the deal is even if I didn't know all that now, didn't get all the "Lou is Lou" stories, I would still feel good about playing you just like I have felt good about matching up with you at ANY time during the past ten years. I have never backed down from you and unless you administer a clear beating I never will.

One thing I know for certain. IF you win and I want to play again you will say no. So this is one shot for me to get in your pocket and I intend to make it hurt you. When you get to the match buddy boy your prima donna BS won't work on me. You're in a dogfight pal and I predict you don't have the stones to fade it.

If you think I am so stupid as to rely on people's stories of how you play this guy and that guy then you had better forfeit now. And I am not so stupid as to bear down in front of people I don't know on your table that you play on every day.

The fact is though that you are reviled in St. Louis. No one was lying to me about that. "Lou is Lou" is about the BEST thing that anyone can say about you.

The difference between me and you Lou is that I don't run with my tail between my legs. My only regret at this point is not making you post the whole ten thousand. Now you still have an out to only be charged $3000 for all your arrogance and bullying. I hope you really do have the stones to show up because then we will get to see if you really are stealing from the case maker or if you are really just the wannabe who donates to better players a couple times a year on your charity trips to big events.

As for the money.....well MAYBE you can fade playing for this amount and MAYBE you can fade being staked for this amount......but since you are widely known as NOT EVEN a $25 player who can't get in any game without causing controversy - then it remains to be seen if you can hold your game together and play your best - whatever that might be.

I personally don't think you can knowing how sensitive you are. But I am prepared for you to come out like Efren and if so then I will take my licks and that's that. But if you don't.......well........imagine the consequences of letting me win.

They never moved any table around for me. That was Big Ed they did that for.

Getting booted was the best thing that ever happened to my pool game. The last year I was there it had become the same three guys exchanging the same $100 bill over and over. Now, they have exactly one guy that can play.

After that place, I played at Chesterfield and when that closed, The Break. From the stories I’ve heard I’m not missing anything. According to the regulars the equipment still sucks, which, BTW, is the reason one of the “kids” got a hard on for me. I've told this story several times before, but here goes again: What I did was to have the temerity to ask one day on RSB: why would an OB loses speed coming off a rail. The answer of course is that the cushions are set too high.

I didn’t name the pool hall but one of the sons there got his panties in a big old wad and went crying to moma, “He's bad mouthing our place. It’s him or me,” put on his jacket and went running out of the pool room. Of course mom chose her baby boy. Since then, I have had *numerous* regulars tell me, “You were right” but they’re all scared of being barred so they all put up with crap equipment. That place was never the same after the dad died.

And the *only* guy I’ve had even just a minor beef with, in years, over a pool game, is the same guy who almost attacked Evelyn and got himself banned from the Midwest Tour.

I may not be everyone favorite guy here in St. Louis, I'm not from here and the running joke in St. Louis is that you'll never make friends if you didn't go to high school here. But I have many friends in the pool world here and do well by comparison to the go-off that came through town a couple of weeks ago that folks are still laughing about. When I got back into country a couple of days ago, and turned my phone on, my text and voicemail lit up with people around St. Louis who like me well enough to detail your escapades. I guess that’ll have to do and all that is fine by me.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

They never moved any table around for me. That was Big Ed they did that for.

Getting booted was the best thing that ever happened to my pool game. The last year I was there it had become the same three guys exchanging the same $100 bill over and over. Now, they have exactly one guy that can play.

After that place, I played at Chesterfield and when that closed, The Break. From the stories I’ve heard I’m not missing anything. According to the regulars the equipment still sucks, which, BTW, is the reason one of the “kids” got a hard on for me. I've told this story several times before, but here goes again: What I did was to have the temerity to ask one day on RSB: why would an OB loses speed coming off a rail. The answer of course is that the cushions are set too high.

I didn’t name the pool hall but one of the sons there got his panties in a big old wad and went crying to moma, “He's bad mouthing our place. It’s him or me,” put on his jacket and went running out of the pool room. Of course mom chose her baby boy. Since then, I have had *numerous* regulars tell me, “You were right” but they’re all scared of being barred so they all put up with crap equipment. That place was never the same after the dad died.

And the *only* guy I’ve had even just a minor beef with, in years, over a pool game, is the same guy who almost attacked Evelyn and got himself banned from the Midwest Tour.

I may not be everyone favorite guy here in St. Louis, I'm not from here and the running joke in St. Louis is that you'll never make friends if you didn't go to high school here. But I have many friends in the pool world here and do well by comparison to the go-off that came through town a couple of weeks ago that folks are still laughing about. When I got back into country a couple of days ago, and turned my phone on, my text and voicemail lit up with people around St. Louis who like me well enough to detail your escapades. I guess that’ll have to do and all that is fine by me.

Lou Figueroa

Perhaps. I tend to clown around a lot. But you can spin it any way you want to and the fact remains that you are barred from a great room. The tables play fine.

Go off? You mean the guy who played a little friendly one hole with a couple folks? I went "off" for about 5% of my bankroll and had a great time doing it.

I can come back right now if you want to get it on. I can be there on Monday and we can play until one of us gives up. YOu post the 10k for the march match and I will do the same AND I will post another ten with Terry and you do the same and we can play for one dime per game until you give up. On your table at The Break.

You ready for that? Just say yes and I will point the car that way on Sunday night and be waiting for you at 11am on Monday.

Funny that I never met a single person who likes you. At least they wouldn't come right out and admit it. I am sure you do have a lot of friends. Even the worst jerks have friends. But there are a few folks here who can testify that I was at the point that I said to them I want to hear ONE nice story about Lou, just one. I really started to feel pity for you and I still do.

Saying you are not the most liked person in the St. Louis pool scene is the understatement of the decade.

 

[JB Cases]

Tell you what Lou. I don't want to think of you with pity. Will someone please stand up and tell us a nice story about interacting with Lou in the St. Louis pool scene? Make one up if you have to.

 

[lfigueroa]

Even the worst jerks have friends.

lol, ah the irony.

See you next month, John.

Lou Figueroa
bring your friend

 

[Agent 99]

To The OP

If you are used to gambling it does not pose much of a problem as it does if you are playing for your pay check. In other words, when you gamble the money comes and goes just watch a few episodes of world poker tour. One of the differences between a gambler and a working man is, money is to a gambler money for gambling. A working man pays bills with his money. It has a different value to each.


When I was young a learned a trick from an old dog player and it was, keep your money separate. I had a small bank that I played with. I may start with say $500.00 manage it carefully and see where it goes. It would go up and down but usually up and I did not have to worry about the money because it was strictly for gambling. Surpassingly it really takes the pressure off. My only job was to play hard and manage my money.

I remember my bank going up so fast once in just a month or two I decided to buy myself a new car, I paid cash for it. When the money starts mattering too much you should not play for it. At some point you "Will" take a serious loss you can't handle and physiologically you could be crushed.

This post hits the nail right on the head. You gamble with your bankroll, never your money.

You must have a separate bankroll if your serious about gambling. This is the only way to keep track of your endeavors. Your bankroll is the scoreboard.

Never think about the amount of your bankroll, or the amount your exposing, in terms of whole dollars.

Always think and manage all sums of your bankroll in terms of percentages.

You must control your variance and only expose the bankroll in predetermined percentages.

If the bankroll is growing while keeping the variance constant (Continuing to expose only the same percentage of the roll) you will now continually be playing for more money without increasing your exposure.

If you are a winning player over a long period of time you might be amazed at the amount of whole dollars that you gamble on one event.

But you will do so never thinking of it as a sum of cash. You will only think of it as the same percentage of your roll that you are used to exposing, so nothing really changes for you.

Once you get winner you can reduce the percentage of your roll's exposure greatly.

Being good at the game you play is just the beginning if you want to make money gambling.

Bankroll management skills are needed, and just as important as your ability to play, if you are going to make any real money.

 

[BmoreMoney]

99 - while I do agree with most of your theory in general as to bankroll management I have to refer back to my earlier posts in this subject. Specifically in regards to getting in action for the fun and thrill of it as opposed to making it a business. Without citing specific examples think about it like this : while there certainly are gamblers that use " systems " and have done well to varying degrees over the years ut has been my experience by knowing many many gamblers and through observation that id have to say the vast majority of folks that approach gambling with this mindset ultimately end up in a not so good situation; at least financially speaking over the course of time. And it is all but inevitable at some point, for any one of a # of reasons that even with the best of intentions and the best planning end up going bust ( I know I have myself been guilty of this in the past ). Don't get me wrong the idea of being a professional gambler is awesome it just doesn't usually end up good. Really wish it would, I mean having nice things and a family and security and being able to do something for a living that is just plain fun - well that would be AWESOME. But for me it's always gonna be an entertainment fun thing and in my opinion a lot of people would be much better off ( in many ways ) if they approached it the same way.

 

[BeiberLvr]

The reason gambling is tough in pool, in comparison to poker, is because the pond is so dry.

As you become a better pool player, a lot of people will be hesitant to play you without getting a big spot. With poker, it never matters how much better you are than everyone else at the table, you'll never be asked to give up weight.

 

[KCRack'em]

I would be shaking like a leaf.

I have no doubt I could get comfortable playing for that amount of money but it would take me at least 6 months and I would need some deep pockets to get to that point.

If you haven't played for that amount of cash -- do you think your game would be able to handle to pressure?

If you have played for that kind of cash, or whatever you consider to be a significant amount, how did you get to that point? Did you do it in baby-steps over a long period of time or did you just take the plunge and go for it one day?

I'm just a working stiff who doesn't have deep pockets. Right now playing for more than hundred or two would put me way out of my comfort zone.



****This isn't about the pros & cons of gambling so please save the anti gambling public service announcements***


***SHOOT -- I wanted to add a poll to this. Oh well***

I haven't read all the replies YET. I will as soon as I have time

When I was in the Navy I sure played a lot and never bet more than drinks. That's more than 30 years ago. I played some small bar tournements and won occasionally. I'll never forget what I heard one old timer tell us: Shooting that 8-ball for fifty bucks ain't pressure. Pressure is when you float a check and go gambling to raise money to pay the rent and feed the kids.

 

[Agent 99]

99 - while I do agree with most of your theory in general as to bankroll management I have to refer back to my earlier posts in this subject. Specifically in regards to getting in action for the fun and thrill of it as opposed to making it a business. Without citing specific examples think about it like this : while there certainly are gamblers that use " systems " and have done well to varying degrees over the years ut has been my experience by knowing many many gamblers and through observation that id have to say the vast majority of folks that approach gambling with this mindset ultimately end up in a not so good situation; at least financially speaking over the course of time. And it is all but inevitable at some point, for any one of a # of reasons that even with the best of intentions and the best planning end up going bust ( I know I have myself been guilty of this in the past ). Don't get me wrong the idea of being a professional gambler is awesome it just doesn't usually end up good. Really wish it would, I mean having nice things and a family and security and being able to do something for a living that is just plain fun - well that would be AWESOME. But for me it's always gonna be an entertainment fun thing and in my opinion a lot of people would be much better off ( in many ways ) if they approached it the same way.

Most people who gamble are in it for the action. I get that and I think its great.

In no way am I suggesting that anyone gamble for a living.

You are absolutely correct when you say that most go broke. In fact some go broke multiple times before they throw in the towel.

Even if you are successful, after a while it's not that much fun, it just becomes work like any other job. However you can't beat the hours :smile:

My post was an attempt to explain why professional gamblers will play for tens of thousands of dollars, not to persuade anyone to do it.

I realize that an 'action' player is in it for the fun, after all they are gambling with their money - that will get the blood flowing.

I also understand that this is why the 'action' player is amazed when they see someone betting 60 dimes on a turn card in poker.

I was just trying to explain why that 60 dimes does not represent money to the pro gambler the way it does to the 'action' player.

Good rolls brother.

 

[Agent 99]

The reason gambling is tough in pool, in comparison to poker, is because the pond is so dry.

As you become a better pool player, a lot of people will be hesitant to play you without getting a big spot. With poker, it never matters how much better you are than everyone else at the table, you'll never be asked to give up weight.

This is why I play poker for money ... not to mention being able to find action 24/7 at a variety of rooms. This is also why I play pool for fun :grin:

 

[BmoreMoney]

No worries 99, im just offering what in my opinion is the best way to approach higher stakes action, or any type of action for that matter in which may give someone the best chance of success.

 

[PocketPooler]

I totally agree. The nerves of losing the money stems from the fear losing YOUR money. So take a little of your money, and make it POOL money. Make it grow and manage it like a business. Think of the cash as merely "points." Never borrow more from YOUR money that would be going to your usual expenses. Be responsible, and smart. Make $500 turn into $1000, then to $5000, and so on. Makes gambling much easier, and eases the nerves much more.

If you are used to gambling it does not pose much of a problem as it does if you are playing for your pay check. In other words, when you gamble the money comes and goes just watch a few episodes of world poker tour. One of the differences between a gambler and a working man is, money is to a gambler money for gambling. A working man pays bills with his money. It has a different value to each.


When I was young a learned a trick from an old dog player and it was, keep your money separate. I had a small bank that I played with. I may start with say $500.00 manage it carefully and see where it goes. It would go up and down but usually up and I did not have to worry about the money because it was strictly for gambling. Surpassingly it really takes the pressure off. My only job was to play hard and manage my money.

I remember my bank going up so fast once in just a month or two I decided to buy myself a new car, I paid cash for it. When the money starts mattering too much you should not play for it. At some point you "Will" take a serious loss you can't handle and physiologically you could be crushed.

 

[SJDinPHX]

They never moved any table around for me. That was Big Ed they did that for. Getting booted was the best thing that ever happened to my pool game. The last year I was there it had become the same three guys exchanging the same $100 bill over and over. Now, they have exactly one guy that can play...

... When I got back into country a couple of days ago, and turned my phone on, my text and voicemail lit up with people around St. Louis who like me well enough to detail your escapades. I guess that’ll have to do and all that is fine by me.

Lou Figueroa

Lou, if I may offer a suggestion..Do not let John suck you into the 'insult game' !..You cannot win !..It is, by far his best game !..Even if you win, he will not admit it.. It is actually the only game he knows how to play !

He knows that he has NO CHANCE of beating you on the pool table, so he will exaggerate, and tell ANY lie, he thinks will belittle you, in trying to further his WEAK agenda ! ..For example, he even challenged ME, to play a 10K set..That is hilarious..I don't want to cause you/us, any loss of income.. Even though I haven't hit a ball, in 3 yrs., and am older than dirt, I could still give him a few balls, and win easily !..You don't need to post any more money.. He is stupid enough to play a second session, after he loses the first one ! :embarrassed2:

I would wish you luck Lou, but obviously, you don't need it..:thumbup:

 

[kollegedave]

Funny that I never met a single person who likes you. At least they wouldn't come right out and admit it. I am sure you do have a lot of friends. Even the worst jerks have friends. But there are a few folks here who can testify that I was at the point that I said to them I want to hear ONE nice story about Lou, just one. I really started to feel pity for you and I still do.

Saying you are not the most liked person in the St. Louis pool scene is the understatement of the decade.

I passed the Missouri bar exam in 2007. At that time, my sister was hospitalized and my parents felt as though they should be with my sister in the hospital rather than attending my "swearing in" to the Missouri bar.

Law school for me, like many others, was a serious struggle and not having anyone there to witness my admission to the bar was a disappointment for me.

Lou showed up at my swearing in. His willingness to drive from St. Louis to Jefferson City to be a great stand-in for my parents has always meant a lot to me, and, as far as I am concerned, this action by Lou can only be characterized as thoughtful and caring.

Lou is a good pool player, and he is a great friend. Count me as someone who will tell any number of great stories about Lou.

kollegedave

 

[SJDinPHX]

I passed the Missouri bar exam in 2007. At that time, my sister was hospitalized and my parents felt as though they should be with my sister in the hospital rather than attending my "swearing in" to the Missouri bar.

Law school for me, like many others, was a serious struggle and not having anyone there to witness my admission to the bar was a disappointment for me.

Lou showed up at my swearing in. His willingness to drive from St. Louis to Jefferson City to be a great stand-in for my parents has always meant a lot to me, and, as far as I am concerned, this action by Lou can only be characterized as thoughtful and caring.

Lou is a good pool player, and he is a great friend. Count me as someone who will tell any number of great stories about Lou.

kollegedave

What say you to this, John Barton ?

 

[JB Cases]

I passed the Missouri bar exam in 2007. At that time, my sister was hospitalized and my parents felt as though they should be with my sister in the hospital rather than attending my "swearing in" to the Missouri bar.

Law school for me, like many others, was a serious struggle and not having anyone there to witness my admission to the bar was a disappointment for me.

Lou showed up at my swearing in. His willingness to drive from St. Louis to Jefferson City to be a great stand-in for my parents has always meant a lot to me, and, as far as I am concerned, this action by Lou can only be characterized as thoughtful and caring.

Lou is a good pool player, and he is a great friend. Count me as someone who will tell any number of great stories about Lou.

kollegedave

Thank you. Finally some kind of a nice story about him.

Anyone got a story about playing pool with? in St. Louis that is pleasant?

 

[SJDinPHX]

Thank you. Finally some kind of a nice story about him.

Anyone got a story about playing pool with? in St. Louis that is pleasant?

Being a complete, bonified, first class assh**e, just seems to come naturally to some people, don't it ?