Could You Play For 10 K?
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But Watchez you're right, it's getting a little close to me becoming the bully rather than fighting against one. I forget that the majority of readers here are not privy to Lou's transgressions on rec.sport.billiards so they don't have the context to understand how deep this goes.
For the next month I will try to back off - at this point I have said everything I want to say. I have offered to double the bet with Lou and he doesn't want any part of that.
So to conclude my posts in this thread, yes, I can play for $10,000 and I can play twice as good for $20,000.
For the next month I will try to back off - at this point I have said everything I want to say. I have offered to double the bet with Lou and he doesn't want any part of that.
So to conclude my posts in this thread, yes, I can play for $10,000 and I can play twice as good for $20,000.
I did delete some if this quote but I agree with the above. I recently began frequenting AZ (2-3 months) so I have missed much of the origin of this bad blood. All I can comment on is that if you just got here (which I did) , it truly seems like you, JB, are being a bully.
Ironically, bullying in the name of standing up to who you feel is a bully.
Why not just let the cues do the talking at this point? No need for bullying too. Just my opinion.
I doubt that I would play well for 10,000 dollars of my own money.
I would most likely play even worse if someone else put up 10,000 dollars of their money for me to play. I guess I value other people's money more than my own.
I don't see the need for playing for that kind of money. I guess everyone has their own reasons for gambling. For me it is just a hobby and for fun.
Each to his own.
JoeyA
I would most likely play even worse if someone else put up 10,000 dollars of their money for me to play. I guess I value other people's money more than my own.
I don't see the need for playing for that kind of money. I guess everyone has their own reasons for gambling. For me it is just a hobby and for fun.
Each to his own.
JoeyA
Good luck JB. And to add, I will confirm that Lou is not well liked by some in St Louis. I was not dispurting that. Just relating my own personnel interaction with Lou. I am sure that I am not liked by far more than Lou. Again, it is what it is. If I wanted to be Mary Poppins, I would carry an umbrella.
Also, I have never seen or heard of Lou playing for more than $200. Whether he has or not, I cannot confirm or deny. I know he used to play Big Ed (the shot description we previously discussed on here named after him) every day for $200 as that is Big Ed's standard bet.
Watchez is the teacher
p.s. There is more than 1 player better than Lou that still plays at Cue N Cushion. I believe you referrenced that and wanted you to know that you are misinformed.
Lou I can honestly say you are the biggest liar and the most pompous a-hole that I have ever dealt with on AZB.
John, forgive me again for editing your comments, down to only your least stupid remarks/rants
...Apparently you are oblivious to the fact, that you are a complete novice, in the ways of the world. (and 'pool hustling' specifically !)..I sure wish you had been around in my day..You would have been my favorite target/whore !..I would have GIVEN you money, just to keep you in action !..I would have worked very hard, at steering the 2 or 3 people in the world you could beat.. 
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John, forgive me again for editing your comments, down to your only sensible rants. (for you)...Apparently you are oblivious to the fact, that you are a complete novice, in the ways of the world. (and 'pool hustling' specifically !)..I sure wish you had been around in my day..You would have been my favorite target/whore !..I would have GIVEN you money, just to keep you in action !
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Nah I am fully aware that I am an idiot when it comes to pool hustling. I was never the sort of thief that you claimed to be. I don't take weight to "rob" people like you probably did. Nor did I seek out lambs to slaughter as you probably did. Not saying you did but since you think the way I do it going up against good players even and not bearing down all the way is the wrong way then I can only assume that you are referring to the type of hustling where one goes after only helpless prey.
I admit that I have no talent or training in that area of pool. Easy to play for 10k when it's george isn't it? Not so much when it's tom.
Is it george or tom in this upcoming match? All the people wanting to bet want to know so they can lay their wagers.
John, forgive me again for editing your comments, down to only your least stupid remarks/rants
Thanks Cleary..(actually my phone is much bigger than that) There is no need responding to John's last, (VERY WEAK) post !...Let me just say, in hindsight, if I had both you and Barton's income, I would have starved to death !...Combined, you guys winnings could not have kept me in 'Fruit of the Loom' shorts, much less Yukon Jack !...Two APA 3's, do NOT make an APA 6..(Most APA 4's, would have kept you guy's broke !) 
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I shall just keep enjoying the things you guys will never
experience ! (I can always use her phone
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(NK) I shall just keep enjoying the things you guys will never
experience ! (I can always use her phone
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Thanks Cleary..(actually my phone is much bigger than that) There is no need responding to John's last, (VERY WEAK) post !...Let me just say, in hindsight, if I had both you and Barton's income, I would have starved to death !...Combined, you guys winnings could not have kept me in 'Fruit of the Loom' shorts, much less Yukon Jack !...Two APA 3's, do NOT make an APA 6..(Most APA 4's, would have kept you guy's broke !)
I shall just keep enjoying the things you guys will never
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Well you certainly couldn't have afforded even waffle house on what your buddy bets. The waitresses there would had to spot you some eggs.
Tell us a story dick about you playing for 10k. How about actually CONTRIBUTING to the TOPIC?
Make it a first and tell us something about betting high from your era. Did they even have $10,000 in circulation back in 1625?
But seriously, got any Dick snapped it off for 10k+ bet stories?
With all of the Lou HATERS in St. Louis, I am starting to feel a bit of pity for Lou, well almost.
I am kind of surprised that Lou is despised in St. Louis". :shocked2: :shocked2:
JoeyA
Grandpa, you have no idea what I experience. I'm the luckiest man alive. And at 118, you're lucky to be alive.
Just a couple more comments and then I’m done for the time being.
First, I appreciate kollegedave, Miller, and watchez speaking up. Frankly, I don’t blame anyone else for not engaging the AZ Tar Baby.
Next, specifically about the room I used to play in, it must be like 10 years since that happen. I never had a problem with Carey, but Chris and Craig, to this day, tell lies about me that I occasionally hear about and that’s fine. However, if it wasn’t for JB bringing it up I wouldn’t have had to rehashed the background on it in the first place. So, John, I’m sure the crew over there is grateful to you for that.
I’ve enjoyed playing pool since I was a little kid, whether by myself or cheap action. There was a time I gambled more, a few hundred here and there, stayed up most nights till closing, and had a standing game with any one of 20 or more guys who might walk in the door. But, as many of you know, a few years ago my wife developed cancer. She’s good now, but that episode taught me what's important in life. Now, I choose to stay home at night and spend my evenings with her. I do play for a few hours during the day, when there are fewer games to be had, and my game suffers accordingly. I rarely play at night or on the weekends, and when I gamble I only play for a few bucks a game. I'm fortunate that a number of players in St. Louis, who do like me, have stepped up and are working out with me, because of the upcoming match, and my game is returning to form
I have never claimed to be a great player or big gambler. The stories I write (and which John denigrates), are for my enjoyment and to share my experiences as an amateur player playing the big dogs. Many of you seem to enjoy that. As to the aiming stuff, I have played the game for 40 years, watched, talked with, and played the best in the world, and I believe that CTE-based aiming systems are totally bogus. And if that sticks in John’s craw, I really could not care less.
Lastly, I do my own thing and I do not tolerate fools well. If there are some guys in St. Louis who don’t like me or want to play me that’s great as far as I’m concerned. If there are those that mistake my self confidence for arrogance, I'm good with that too. And I won't apologize for being well-spoken, well traveled, and having a comfortable life. I enjoy playing guys that play and whom I don’t have to argue with about every little rule, frozen ball, and foul. Unfortunately, there are many pool players in St. Louis who are not capable of that and we stay away from each other. If any or all of that makes me a bad guy in their eyes, oh well.
I’m looking forward to playing my match with John. He can rant all he wants. Repeatedly saying I won’t show is just a projection of his deepest fears and hopes. Sorry, John — I will be there and no, I don’t need to post diddly-do-da. See you on the 18th.
Lou Figueroa
First, I appreciate kollegedave, Miller, and watchez speaking up. Frankly, I don’t blame anyone else for not engaging the AZ Tar Baby.
Next, specifically about the room I used to play in, it must be like 10 years since that happen. I never had a problem with Carey, but Chris and Craig, to this day, tell lies about me that I occasionally hear about and that’s fine. However, if it wasn’t for JB bringing it up I wouldn’t have had to rehashed the background on it in the first place. So, John, I’m sure the crew over there is grateful to you for that.
I’ve enjoyed playing pool since I was a little kid, whether by myself or cheap action. There was a time I gambled more, a few hundred here and there, stayed up most nights till closing, and had a standing game with any one of 20 or more guys who might walk in the door. But, as many of you know, a few years ago my wife developed cancer. She’s good now, but that episode taught me what's important in life. Now, I choose to stay home at night and spend my evenings with her. I do play for a few hours during the day, when there are fewer games to be had, and my game suffers accordingly. I rarely play at night or on the weekends, and when I gamble I only play for a few bucks a game. I'm fortunate that a number of players in St. Louis, who do like me, have stepped up and are working out with me, because of the upcoming match, and my game is returning to form
I have never claimed to be a great player or big gambler. The stories I write (and which John denigrates), are for my enjoyment and to share my experiences as an amateur player playing the big dogs. Many of you seem to enjoy that. As to the aiming stuff, I have played the game for 40 years, watched, talked with, and played the best in the world, and I believe that CTE-based aiming systems are totally bogus. And if that sticks in John’s craw, I really could not care less.
Lastly, I do my own thing and I do not tolerate fools well. If there are some guys in St. Louis who don’t like me or want to play me that’s great as far as I’m concerned. If there are those that mistake my self confidence for arrogance, I'm good with that too. And I won't apologize for being well-spoken, well traveled, and having a comfortable life. I enjoy playing guys that play and whom I don’t have to argue with about every little rule, frozen ball, and foul. Unfortunately, there are many pool players in St. Louis who are not capable of that and we stay away from each other. If any or all of that makes me a bad guy in their eyes, oh well.
I’m looking forward to playing my match with John. He can rant all he wants. Repeatedly saying I won’t show is just a projection of his deepest fears and hopes. Sorry, John — I will be there and no, I don’t need to post diddly-do-da. See you on the 18th.
Lou Figueroa
Don't waste your time.
Not one single person yet has testified that they ever had a good time playing pool with you in St Louis. You are a pleasant person in some circumstances. They don't appear to be online or in the pool room.
Ask yourself how you get in a position to be barred from a great room like that? I mean really? Tell lies about you? I suppose everyone else is lying about you as well when they tell their "Lou is an ___________" stories?
So why have you spent ten years trying to KILL other people's enjoyment of the game then? That's what all of this is about Lou. For more than ten years you have persisted in trying to verbally molest other people who dared to speak openly about methods you could not or would not understand.
Good for you. You should be training hard. We all have our cancer stories, my dad is recovering from lung cancer. My sincerest sympathy for what you went through with Gail. What I don't understand is why you have to be so "mean" online if you are so sensitive otherwise?
Actually you have claimed to be a better player than those you insult. I have also played the game for decades and played with, spoken with, shared vacations with, had lessons from, sponsored, gambled against, loaned money to, borrowed money from and otherwise lived life with professional players for the past 20 years. Your experience does not trump mine yet you persist even in the above paragraph in thinking that it does.
It's ok if you think CTE is bogus. If you choose to remain ignorant then that's your choice. What is not ok is the way you have chosen to make your feelings known...by insulting me and everyone else who likes to study and use CTE, by calling the instructors charlatans and frauds, con artists and purveyors of snake oil on these public forums.
That is illegal defamation of character Lou. That's the issue I have with you.
Oh well I am sure that those people you have had run-ins with are thrilled to hear that you consider them to be fools. Funny I have spent time around many whom you exchanged words with and they seem to be pretty sharp people. Successful by every measure we use as a society so maybe the problem is you.
I think you will show up. You have failed to read what I wrote. The LINE from some people is that you won't show up. My request was that you post the entire stake now to INSURE that you show up. Regardless of what you say you will do you can still back out, as can I, and only forfeit $3000.
You can defend yourself all you want Lou but this game is on not because you love pool. It's on because you chose the path of being a jerk to me and others over aiming systems. You chose the path of confrontation and denigration and insult.
And for those who don't know, Lou's conduct at rec.sport.billiard was atrocious in this regard. Homophobic and deeply cutting. As well he has lied constantly about situations.
And, he has never apologized for a single word he has written. Because according to him it's all justified and there is nothing to apologize for. Well, many of us online and offline do not feel that way at all. We think that Lou has said and done a lot that he should answer for.
Well, if you consider losing 10k+ as payment for transgressions then the answer is maybe.
Does winning prove he is right and I am wrong or vice versa? No I don't think so. Now if I win then it might "prove" that a system method of aiming probably played a part in helping a case maker beat a self-described semi-pro speed player.
What it boils down to for me is simply the old fashioned pool hall barking, got something to say then get your ass up on the table and play some. Then you can run your mouth.
What I know is that Lou has a lot of pressure on him to shut me up. And frankly I am carrying a little pressure to do the same to him. Whoever wins will certainly have the upper hand when it comes to arguments because there is always a little credibility that comes with being able to say you can't beat me.
Right now I have a tiny sliver with the one victory I have. But a race to two is not conclusive at all. So now we have a race to nine which will show who the better player is without a doubt. And if I win I will consider the money a sufficient punishment for Lou's transgressions.