What Would You Do - The Push Out
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The 1-ball is out in the middle of the table. The 9-ball is by the head rail.
I probably bump the 4 ball a leave the edge of the 1 showing, but not enough to make the 1 in the corner. After that, I expect either me or my opponent to roll the 1 to the middle of the top right side rail and attempt to get behind the 9 or 5.
Normally, I would prefer to push out to a fairly easy kick with defensive potential, but this seems like it would have a similar result.
Normally, I would prefer to push out to a fairly easy kick with defensive potential, but this seems like it would have a similar result.
I would push to position B and play the safe diagrammed if I got the shot back.
By the way, I would be fine getting the shot back, or my opponent getting the shot. You want the cue ball to get near the rail on the push. that limits both the player's options in hiding the cue ball.
By the way, I would be fine getting the shot back, or my opponent getting the shot. You want the cue ball to get near the rail on the push. that limits both the player's options in hiding the cue ball.
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Rule of thumb on pushouts.
If you shoot at the snooker, you're an underdog....
...so you push to where you think you're about even money....whether
you or your opponent shoots.
Where you push here is often determined by your opponent strengths
and weaknesses....and yours also.
Sometimes it's hit the 7-ball, leaving a thin slice on the 1-ball.
Sometimes it's hit the 8-ball, leaving him jacked over the 10-ball.
Sometimes it's roll to the bottom rail, leaving him straight on the 1-ball.
But if you leave your opponent an easy decision, you're doing something wrong.
It's kinda like what the backgammon players say about the cube...
...it should be a weapon and not a gift.
I'm rolling up to the corner and leaving him long. Most times they will take it and over half the time they will miss it. I like to give my op a shot he will go for. I feel like I chose his shot.
I'd setup almost the same shot Tate did but I'd bank the 7 (or is it the 3?) ball to behind the 1 and stop the cue ball where it is. That really would depend on the player I'm up against. If it was a worse player, I'd play this stop shot on the 7(3?). If it was an equal player, I'd want some distance between the balls and will try to leave a thin hit on the 1.
Playing a push against an equal player or one that is better than you is very tough as they should know all the moves that you do.
Playing a push against an equal player or one that is better than you is very tough as they should know all the moves that you do.
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In your diagram, the 1 doesn't pass the 5, but in the photo it looks like it does. I think if you played that push against me, I would be thinking offense not defense.
What about pushing to the end rail where you can see a sliver of the 1 in the window between the 7 and 2? I think that accomplishes what your suggesting, but without leaving an open shot on the 1 in the corner.
-Andrew
I agree with this play as it to me seems like the standard push in this position.
I like Tate's push.
If I was feeling pretty good about things, I also might shoot a stop shot into the 7 ball, leaving just the edge of the 1 ball. hit the 7 hard enough to bank it 2 rails and hopefully create a cluster.
Beiberlvr, you push is called the "mad at your wallet" push.
Eric
If I was feeling pretty good about things, I also might shoot a stop shot into the 7 ball, leaving just the edge of the 1 ball. hit the 7 hard enough to bank it 2 rails and hopefully create a cluster.
Beiberlvr, you push is called the "mad at your wallet" push.
Eric
Bank the 5, leaving the CB at A.
Then cut the 1 into the corner. Playing it at pocket speed so that if I miss, I have the 10,7, and 8 as blockers.
Why on earth would you think your opponent would give you the shot back?
If you bank the 5 leaving the cue ball at A your opponent will take the shot and shoot
the 1-Ball in the corner. With position on the 2 which brings him right to the 3, not
a good move.
I see what you mean and you're right.
In that case I would probably push the cue ball into the 7 and leave only an edge on the 1, or do what you suggest depending on the exact layout, then probably play the same safe.
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Bank the 5, leaving the CB at A.
Then cut the 1 into the corner. Playing it at pocket speed so that if I miss, I have the 10,7, and 8 as blockers.
Nobody's going to give that shot back, Mr. Beiber!
Yeah, on further inspection the gap between the 7 and 2 is very small from that angle; bumping the 7 is a much more reliable way to leave the desired thin hit on the 1. I do think that with the CB in the middle of the table and the thin look at the 1, you're guaranteeing your opponent will play the safe rather than hand it back. But that's not the end of the world.
-Andrew
I like Tate's push.
If I was feeling pretty good about things, I also might shoot a stop shot into the 7 ball, leaving just the edge of the 1 ball. hit the 7 hard enough to bank it 2 rails and hopefully create a cluster.
Beiberlvr, you push is called the "mad at your wallet" push.
Eric
LOL at the "mad money" push. I like that idea Eric. I also know if I was pushing against you, you would outsmart me anyway.
takeitdown
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Bank the 5, leaving the CB at A.
Then cut the 1 into the corner. Playing it at pocket speed so that if I miss, I have the 10,7, and 8 as blockers.
Nobody will give thar push back.
I just push towards the long rail by cuball. Leave CB on the rail with a thin hit on one. Its aesy hit, no shot from there and real tough safe. Thats what you want in a push with this layout.
Anybody looking to push to a jump, I am looking to play...for houses.
I would slow roll the 8 to the 5 ann leave cb about where the 8 is,