Lou wants more

This is soooooo f*cking stupid. If JB thinks he can win then why would he give a shit where the money comes from?

I don't give a shit. Only that I don't have other people's money in play. I don't need backers. I don't have the pressure of losing my friend's money.

In other words if you gotta call your backer then you ain't gambling son.



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Ever consider that Lou would of had to win $7,000 then to break even? If he had tortured John then, John would forfeit his 3k and not played later. Plus, Lou might not have had the money on him to play for that amount at that time. Not to mention that not playing then played right into Lou's hand.

Nope. I said I would play Lou at DCC or okc or st louis only if he posted the whole 10k for the march match.

So that way if I beat him earlier then he could not back out for 3k.



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So John, are you going to get down into the game and forget all this BS, are you able to erase it from your mind on game day.

Cause I have zero idea on who may win but I would bet that Lou ain't gonna be thinking about anything but playing.
 
Poolplaya9,

Tuesday will tell it as it is. We'll see then, if Lou is covered, then your wrong.

You just don't get it. You are so blinded by your idolization of a person and are so biased you can no longer see reality. John may decide to bet more on the match day, but it still won't change that I'm right. You see, what John does on match day doesn't in any way change what he is doing now and has already done, and why. John isn't very confident, and contrary to what he claims he was not trying to maximize his winnings when he asked Lou to play for 20k. He was just trying to get in Lou's head, expecting that Lou wouldn't accept the bet, plain and simple. But he got called, and even got an offer for another raise. Oh crap now what, that sure backfired.

If John was confident he would win, and was trying to maximize his winnings, he would have accepted Lou's offer instantly--period--end of story. If John bets more on match day, it is only another attempt to try to get in Lou's head, because he doesn't think he is the favorite in the match without using some moves. His first attempt to high roll Lou and get in his head failed miserably, actually backfired, because Lou surprised him and called it. John knows his last chance to try a move to get in Lou's head and to give himself half of a long shot chance to win is to try it again right before the match. Also try to aggravate Lou by making things difficult and throw him off his game.

That, and John needs the chance to see how well he is playing that day first, and maybe even to see how well Lou is playing first too. He first needs to see if he is feeling confident enough on match day to bet more. Because he damn sure wasn't feeling confident enough when Lou called his bluff on his high roll offer, and he hasn't felt confident enough yet up until this moment either. Or else he would have already confirmed on the bet that HE pushed for. No, make that he would have fallen all over himself jumping to confirm the bet that HE pushed for.
 
You just don't get it. You are so blinded by your idolization of a person and are so biased you can no longer see reality. John may decide to bet more on the match day, but it still won't change that I'm right. You see, what John does on match day doesn't in any way change what he is doing now and has already done, and why. John isn't very confident, and contrary to what he claims he was not trying to maximize his winnings when he asked Lou to play for 20k. He was just trying to get in Lou's head, expecting that Lou wouldn't accept the bet, plain and simple. But he got called, and even got an offer for another raise. Oh crap now what, that sure backfired.

If John was confident he would win, and was trying to maximize his winnings, he would have accepted Lou's offer instantly--period--end of story. If John bets more on match day, it is only another attempt to try to get in Lou's head, because he doesn't think he is the favorite in the match without using some moves. His first attempt to high roll Lou and get in his head failed miserably, actually backfired, because Lou surprised him and called it. John knows his last chance to try a move to get in Lou's head and to give himself half of a long shot chance to win is to try it again right before the match. Also try to aggravate Lou by making things difficult and throw him off his game.

That, and John needs the chance to see how well he is playing that day first, and maybe even to see how well Lou is playing first too. He first needs to see if he is feeling confident enough on match day to bet more. Because he damn sure wasn't feeling confident enough when Lou called his bluff on his high roll offer, and he hasn't felt confident enough yet up until this moment either. Or else he would have already confirmed on the bet that HE pushed for. No, make that he would have fallen all over himself jumping to confirm the bet that HE pushed for.

Umm... Did you forget the part where John set up and is about to play a match for ten grand out if his own pocket? I think that pretty clearly demonstrates his confidence in this match up. $10k is a lot of money, and losing it can really hurt a guy, especially a small business owner. No way he's risking that large a chunk of his wallet unless he believes he should win.

Would you be willing to consider an alternate explanation for John's reaction? Because I see one that's pretty obvious, but you seem to be overlooking it.

Yes, John's been trying to raise the bet for weeks. And yes, a couple days ago, Lou got on the board and publicly challenged John to raise it more. I read AZB every day, and I first saw Lou's message on Wednesday evening. Coincidentally, this was about ten minutes after I'd just had a conversation with John in his booth here at the Super Billiards Expo. He was showing cases and taking the time to talk to everyone who wanted his attention.

Every time I've walked by since then (which is several times a day, since his booth is right in one of the highest traffic places on the floorplan - you have to walk by it to go just about anywhere here), what has he been doing? Showing cases to a potential customer while 2 or 3 people wait for him to finish so he can do the same for them. The guy is busting his ass, and I don't know how he's even had time to eat or breathe, much less worry about Lou's offer.

Now, most people don't usually just carry around 25 grand like it's pocket change, and I doubt John does, either. He's got 10k ready to go, but he has to be able to get another 15 by Monday if he wants to accept the new amount. Have you ever tried to take $15,000 out of a bank account in cash? It's not like you just walk into the local branch, tell them you'd like to withdraw 15 grand, please, and walk out ten minutes later with a sack full of money. The bank usually gets pretty funny about a request like that. They don't keep enough cash on hand to fill it and still take care of their regular clients. This kind of large withdrawal requires several days of advanced notice so that they can make sure they have the extra currency on hand. They make you fill out some forms and sign a few things. And I'm sure it's even more complicated when you're away from home and your bank is on the other side of the planet. So it's going to take John some real time and energy to come up with the cash.

But he's working practically 24/7 from Wednesday night until Sunday night, and the game is on Monday. So what does he say? "I'm busy, we'll talk about it on Monday." I think he definitely wants to raise the bet, but isn't sure he can get the money in time. Maybe he'll pull it off and they'll raise. Maybe he can't. Perhaps he wants to talk on Monday to say he couldn't get the cash on such short notice but he's happy to raise it if Lou will give him a couple of days to get the extra money if he loses. I don't know, I'm not in his head.

And I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I just believe that the simplest explanation for something is usually the correct one. And this seemed pretty obvious to me. It's most likely about logistics, not mind games. I could certainly be wrong, but I'd bet I'm not.
 
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Gosh you guys are analytical. It is simple.

Lou has to show up and play or forfeit the show up money. Playing for 10 or 25 doesn't matter. If I had 500,000 or 5 million I would keep betting more because it isn't about the money here. 10k is just a number.

This is about putting a bully in his place and the beating I inflict will be seared into his brain.

He should have taken me up on the offer to POST the money when I offered to double the bet many times weeks ago.

Now....he has to wait to see what I decide to do on Tuesday. The biggest thing for me is making sure that this fish doesn't get away so I can carve him up.

Maybe I will raise the bet. Maybe I won't but first post the ten and then we can go from there. Until he does that we are still just talking because at this point only 3k is posted.

All I want at this point is to see him there and ready to play. It is still doubtful to some who know him that he shows up.

You have three days Lou. In 3 days you find out if you have the nuts or if you crushed by the weight of mine.
 
And you are stuck hanging so far up the backside of a nut sack that you can't see out to see (it's called bias) that nobody in the world who hates someone, knows that they can beat them, knows that they will only ever get one chance to play them and wants to maximize how much they are going win off them, nobody in the world is going to say "well we will discuss it at match time" when that person finally agrees to double the bet like you have been barking at them to do for months so you can win more.

Only bias accounts for a belief that silly and ludicrous.

The only reason to "think about it" is because you aren't confident at all, were mostly just trying to get in their head, and now need to figure out what your next move should be. If it was really about knowing you would win and wanting to win more money, you will snap call it 100% of the time before they can change their mind.

And for the record, I don't dislike John. I don't know John. I don't always agree with everything he believes, or says, or does, but I don't dislike him. It's just that I'm not afraid to point out the elephant in the room, whether someone else's bias allows them to see the elephant or not. I tell it like it is.

I don't hate Lou. If I did I would have made him bet so much that his retirement income would belong to me. His resume' would read that he works for John Barton paying off his loss.

I simply wanted to raise when I said I did and not when Lou says he wants to.

You either call the bet when offered or don't but the reason you do either isn't always what you might think.

If I walk in with a sack of cash and re raise then what? Will it mean Lou is then a coward if he can't or won't match my raise on demand?

This isn't poker you don't win the hand because you are the chip leader.

You win in one pocket by making more balls than your opponent and for that to happen you have to get him on the table.

Let's see your boy show up first then we can decide how many coupons to stack.
 
So John, are you going to get down into the game and forget all this BS, are you able to erase it from your mind on game day.

Cause I have zero idea on who may win but I would bet that Lou ain't gonna be thinking about anything but playing.

I am ready to play. I use this to feed off of. I don't know what Lou will be thinking but I do know he is very sensitive in person and quite anal about things being just so.

So who knows if he is prepared to deal with this type of action. Its a lot different than playing pool vacation matches at tournaments versus getting in the grease and having someone firing at you.

I have been in action all my life and Lou gets pissy when anyone sits within 20 feet of him when practicing.

I am totally at home gambling in the Phillipines with a crowd and chickens underfoot. Lou would probably faint at the idea that his Gina might get so fly poop on it.

So yeah I am ready to play.

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I don't hate Lou. If I did I would have made him bet so much that his retirement income would belong to me. His resume' would read that he works for John Barton paying off his loss.

I simply wanted to raise when I said I did and not when Lou says he wants to.

You either call the bet when offered or don't but the reason you do either isn't always what you might think.

If I walk in with a sack of cash and re raise then what? Will it mean Lou is then a coward if he can't or won't match my raise on demand?

This isn't poker you don't win the hand because you are the chip leader.

You win in one pocket by making more balls than your opponent and for that to happen you have to get him on the table.

Let's see your boy show up first then we can decide how many coupons to stack.

This is quite simple. Lou has told you'll he'll play for $25,000, and you've said you'll match it on the day only.

I don't know (or care) who has painted who into a corner, but the game is for $50k. Either side still planning on playing for $10k had better not even show up.
 
So John, are you going to get down into the game and forget all this BS, are you able to erase it from your mind on game day.

Cause I have zero idea on who may win but I would bet that Lou ain't gonna be thinking about anything but playing.[/QUOTE

I doubt that Lou can block AZ from his mind, especially being it's being streamed and all his family and friends are going to be watching.
It's going to be like playing naked
 
So John, are you going to get down into the game and forget all this BS, are you able to erase it from your mind on game day.

Cause I have zero idea on who may win but I would bet that Lou ain't gonna be thinking about anything but playing.[/QUOTE

I doubt that Lou can block AZ from his mind, especially being it's being streamed and all his family and friends are going to be watching.
It's going to be like playing naked

Really? Who is going to watch this? There may be a little initial interest but you'd have to be a masochist of epic proportions to sit through it all.

I'm waiting for the 18 DVD box set to come out, sponsored by JB Cases. I may even get the deluxe edition, with ball by ball commentary by John Barton, all for a bargain price of $199.99.
 
Lol - no doubt but in fairness most of us would play below our best in this situation.

So John, are you going to get down into the game and forget all this BS, are you able to erase it from your mind on game day.

Cause I have zero idea on who may win but I would bet that Lou ain't gonna be thinking about anything but playing.[/QUOTE

I doubt that Lou can block AZ from his mind, especially being it's being streamed and all his family and friends are going to be watching.
It's going to be like playing naked
 
This is quite simple. Lou has told you'll he'll play for $25,000, and you've said you'll match it on the day only.

I don't know (or care) who has painted who into a corner, but the game is for $50k. Either side still planning on playing for $10k had better not even show up.

This makes me laugh. What are you the tournament dicktater!
 
This is quite simple. Lou has told you'll he'll play for $25,000, and you've said you'll match it on the day only.

I don't know (or care) who has painted who into a corner, but the game is for $50k. Either side still planning on playing for $10k had better not even show up.

I have not said I will match it. Boy you really do have a hard time understanding English.

I said he should bring his money and then we can negotiate increasing the bet. Do I need to break this down more for you?



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I have not said I will match it. Boy you really do have a hard time understanding English.

I said he should bring his money and then we can negotiate increasing the bet. Do I need to break this down more for you?



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Ah, thanks for the clarification. I thought you were weaseling out of it for a second there. :rolleyes:
 
So John, are you going to get down into the game and forget all this BS, are you able to erase it from your mind on game day.

Cause I have zero idea on who may win but I would bet that Lou ain't gonna be thinking about anything but playing.[/QUOTE

I doubt that Lou can block AZ from his mind, especially being it's being streamed and all his family and friends are going to be watching.
It's going to be like playing naked

And when everyone in St. Louis who severely dislikes him is pulling for him to get spanked.

Unreal how many people genuinely detest this guy. I actually feel some pity for him. But not enough to not want to drill him on the table.

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Really? Who is going to watch this? There may be a little initial interest but you'd have to be a masochist of epic proportions to sit through it all.

I'm waiting for the 18 DVD box set to come out, sponsored by JB Cases. I may even get the deluxe edition, with ball by ball commentary by John Barton, all for a bargain price of $199.99.

I don't understand why you believe folks won't want to watch this. Just because they won't be playing perfect pool shouldn't take away from the matchup. That's the real allure of contests of skill, who can defeat who on a given day...not how perfect they play.

These two have been at each other for years, here and on the other previous formats. There are plenty of people who have encountered each of these guys over those years. And have witnessed the back and forth. There is plenty of backstory here.

I think there will be a very good number of people watching this. I plan on watching some, as I can, due to other obligations.
 
By the way I very confident. But it's not like Lou can't play and I am stealing. It is work to beat him but I am up to the job.

I know he will be carrying the torch for his backers and for his family in Mexico who want to see their Louie do well in America.

I know my game and know I can make all the shots so I feel really secure. But as Fast Eddie said you can't keep a good player from getting shots so I have no illusion that Lou won't play good and hard.

It is just that regardless of where our skill levels are I know that I have a truckload more heart than he does and the only thing preventing me from betting a million is not having a million dollars.

Whatever the bet is at the end of the day it means nothing compared to the humiliation of Lou losing to me. When I win I might just buy everyone in the audience aiming systems lessons.

This whole thing has done more to promote aiming systems than anything else we have ever done. Lou has achieved exactly the opposite of his mean-as spirited bully tactics trying to put down aiming systems and defaming the students and teachers of those systems.

Because of this match I had dozens of people ask me to help them learn CTE.

Regardless of the bet this I get to promote methods that make people play better. The amount of money I win doing it does not matter.

Lou will never pick on someone he thinks can play. So he picked on me and is about to reap the reward for his mistake.

Whether I charge him 10 20 or 50 is up to me. Depends on how kind I want to be.

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