tip position tolerance

nataddrho

nataddrho

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I've always known how important precise tip position is. Until recently I didn't realize the elevated level of awareness needed to "visually see" just how subtle things really get. I figured that if my tip was within 1/16th of an inch of my target on the CB I was fine (thickness of a penny). I had no idea so little made so much of a difference.

Now I strive for 0mm of tolerance, usually perform around half the diameter of a small paperclip wire (1/64th). Incredible difference...

I can see why peeling off this layer of the onion is really hard to teach someone, because you might be certain you have the precision that everyone on here talks about... and not really have it.

lol, i kick myself for playing this long and putting the blame elsewhere :smile:
 
In Mark Wilson's excellent book there's a photo mockup right at the start showing
typical tip accuracy between amateurs, advanced, and pro level players.
He showed a grouping of chalk marks on 3 different cue balls...
The amateurs were all over the place, the advanced players were in this sort of muddy circle
about the size of a full tip diameter, while the pros are in this tiny area.
It made me more aware of my own tip position and I find myself locking in a closed bridge more,
especially on varying degrees of stun follow.
 
You can experiment with different tips until you find one you like, but the real key is in a solid stroke. Good tips should be professionally installed.
 
CreeDo said:
In Mark Wilson's excellent book there's a photo mockup right at the start showing
typical tip accuracy between amateurs, advanced, and pro level players.
He showed a grouping of chalk marks on 3 different cue balls...
The amateurs were all over the place, the advanced players were in this sort of muddy circle
about the size of a full tip diameter, while the pros are in this tiny area.
It made me more aware of my own tip position and I find myself locking in a closed bridge more,
especially on varying degrees of stun follow.
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Like. .
 
That photo was an eye-opener for me. The precision required to play at top levels is almost superhuman!
 
Theres a position "system" if you will called the wagon wheel. It was at one time very secretive information, and shared amongst players only. Then someone put it in book form, and let the cat out of the bag. Theres even youtube videos explaining the basic concepts.
The system is about the vertical axis of the cb, and being able to very accurately manipulate the cb on and off the tangent line. I wont do into a dissertation about the specifics, but imagine breaking down the vertical center of the cb into very even and exact points, then having the ability to accurately judge where you need to hit the cb and hitting that point to hit a specific point on the first rail you contact. Its powerful knowledge. Most people worry more about sidespin when playing position when in fact if you can accurately change the angle going into the first rail, most shots dont need extreme english to move the ball. Its also a huge advantage when you need to avoid traffic.
And yes, the pro level players are far more practiced and accurate in choosing and hitting the cb where they need to and where they are trying to.
Chuck
 
CreeDo said:
In Mark Wilson's excellent book there's a photo mockup right at the start showing
typical tip accuracy between amateurs, advanced, and pro level players.
He showed a grouping of chalk marks on 3 different cue balls...
The amateurs were all over the place, the advanced players were in this sort of muddy circle
about the size of a full tip diameter, while the pros are in this tiny area.
It made me more aware of my own tip position and I find myself locking in a closed bridge more,
especially on varying degrees of stun follow.
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What did the pro's look like?
 
While I pretty much agree about accurate tip position, I can honestly say that I've never given one single thought to it.

I guess my judgement is all about the results of the tip position. If I hit it with a little too much spin, I hit it closer to the middle next time.

Royce
 
The wagon wheel thing is interesting. I only started using more controlled stun shots recently,
because it seems like something I see stronger players do easily while I don't.
I tend to side spin and change cut angle to change the CB path but it's a lot less effort
to make the ball if you just aim for the center of the pocket and don't need any spin.

I found this video, one of Dr. Dave's, and you get a little bonus info about
how to predict the draw path from various angles too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b42018ceoE

infest said:
What did the pro's look like?
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I don't have the book in front of me but all I think the pro's chalk marks were clustered into an area
smaller than the dot on a measles ball.
 
3kushn said:
Pros look good. Well dressed and everything.
Tip is < 1/2mm of intended contact.
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Lets see what 1/2 mm (20 mil) is...

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yall dont believe that the pros have superhero cababilities do you,that tells me how naive some of you are,i will tell you a secret they dont hit the balls any better then most short stops at the local pool room,they just have more confidence in their ability(arogance and cockiness), and they have more experience and play better patterns and think father ahead,they arent superheros man....sheeeesh!!!!
 
watch the orientals play table tennis now thats impressive stuff,granted they are hitting the balls pretty accurate,but as accurate as the width of a paper clip on purpose,i have to call bullshit,on 50% of their shots,it makes for funny reading and if it was on paper it would be good for starting your fireplace...thats my 2 cents
 
I don't know where the 1/2mm stuff came from, but Mark states that the pros are generally accurate to within 1 mm.
 
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