hudos to ken shuman accustats ref who dq darren

[CreeDo]

As others have pointed out, 14.1 is not the same as every other game. It's 14 and 1 continuous pocket billiards. Not rack, run and re-rack. Disturbing the balls in 14.1 affects the game too much to assess a one-rack penalty and then continuing.

In these two hypothetical cases, I would DQ him from the entire event and not invite him back.

First part is dead on...

Second part... Be reasonable.
You don't nuke the top player, who is a popular draw, and who is generally well-behaved,
over a single outburst. The whole event has only 4 players.
You ruin the entire event to just dismiss 25% of the field over a hissy fit.

Darren's punishment was perfect... there were no more outbursts from him that day.
And I bet there are no more in future events, at least ones involving ken.

 

[krupa]

First part is dead on...

Second part... Be reasonable.
You don't nuke the top player, who is a popular draw, and who is generally well-behaved,
over a single outburst. The whole event has only 4 players.
You ruin the entire event to just dismiss 25% of the field over a hissy fit.

Darren's punishment was perfect... there were no more outbursts from him that day.
And I bet there are no more in future events, at least ones involving ken.

If a professional player throws a hissy fit in the first rack of a 150-point game he's no professional. As far as I'm concerned, he already ruined the event at that point. I may not chuck him if the score were 119-0 but he damn sure wouldn't stick around if he pulled it in when the score was 3-0.

 

[bowman]

Do you think that after it took 15 minutes to make the call that Ken didn't have some help making it? Johnnyt

...No your wrong all that was there outside was Darren and ken discussing it i know i was there get your facts right !!!!

 

[bowman]

All i have to say is congratulations D.A on winning and playing some fantastic pool for 6 days i watched every match and was a pleasure to watch esp 1pkt & 8 ball ..Take no notice of most of them on here everyone as done or said things in the heat of the moment and the ones that say they have not are liers ..

 

[alstl]

Yes, I was aware of that. I was just trying to point out that the penalty is a matter of the ref's judgment, and that, as an example, if a player in such a situation had moved only the CB, then some refs might have imposed a penalty different from loss of match.

If he had any of a long list of things other than what he did the penalty may have been something else.

He raked the balls. Referee had no choice. Anything less and the integrity of the match and the tournament would be called into question.

 

[CreeDo]

If a professional player throws a hissy fit in the first rack of a 150-point game he's no professional. As far as I'm concerned, he already ruined the event at that point. I may not chuck him if the score were 119-0 but he damn sure wouldn't stick around if he pulled it in when the score was 3-0.

First rack... where did you get that?

This was when Darren had about 130 points, almost 10 racks into it... Just 20 balls away from a victory.
He was also a few points away from a run of 100, which is a $500 bonus.
If I dogged a simple shot that cost me $500, I'd be pissed too.

Additionally, I think I read that if he had won, he would have had an unbeatable record
and nobody could have caught up. But by dogging that ball, Dennis was near-guaranteed
to win the 14.1 game/match (Dennis was only like 10 points behind).

Which meant Darren had to sweat the possibility that Shane could catch up to him.

His reaction was unprofessional but understandable, and honestly, is anyone really offended?
Call me shallow but I get entertainment out of seeing players get emotional.
In no way do I get turned off or want to stop watching.
As long as it's more self-directed and not abusing/sharking other players.

 

[bowman]

Its called Maturity, Like a couple of years ago at the US Open 9ball when Efren lucked in the winning 9 ball in. He lied said that Efren didnt shake his hand , and we all saw on the video that Efren walked directly over to Darren and shook his hand...........Darren is getting to be the biggest cry baby when he doesnt win..........He makes me sick

Your the one that sounds like a jealous crybaby and comes up with lies .Appleton never said Efren did not shakes his hand you make everyone puke with your idiotic post ..

 

[krupa]

First rack... where did you get that?

My original post in this thread, and my reply to you was all in reference to victorl's hypothetical question (copied and highlighted below.)

I think match disqualification is too harsh in this case. Like you say, any other game is a one rack penalty, so a rack's worth of 15 points should be the call here (which would have also resulted in an immediate loss anyway).

What if they were still in the first rack and this happened? Or what if Darren had been up 119-0 and had a brain fart and did that? Would he be deserving of immediate disqualification?

In response to this question:

His reaction was unprofessional but understandable, and honestly, is anyone really offended?

I would say that intentionally moving balls in 14.1 is equivalent to intentionally tripping a baserunner in baseball. You can never really know what would have happend if the act did not occur.

 

[one stroke]

He didnt make a conscious decision -You have no idea what it's like being in the mind of a hothead. Ever see a cheap guy all of a sudden become a spender? A slob become a neatnick?

It's not so easy to change a hard wired brain. Im not saying people are not responsible for their actions but it's no way as easy as you think to control a reaction like that for some.


Nostroke<------- pretty good hothead on the table

OTOH- If you are Sugar Shack- I totally agree with you.

Well if there's no penalty there is no incentive to change unless the day comes when you realize how stupid it is and you seek how to change how you respond to those situations

A sports shrink might help him tremendously




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[dynamite]

Who lied ? I never once said it quoted efren didn't shake my hand in fact he did .. So stop making stories up. Lol.

I actually agreed with ken that dq me from the match was the right thing to do before he announced it.. I knew straight away I was in the wrong and opoligized to everyone at the venue and my opponent.. Unfortunately sometimes we do things in heat of moment which was costly to me and something I regret..

But that's sport passion and emotion of drama happens so many greats of sports have done it from golf players to tennis players etc and many will do it again.. Was basically a moment of madness and didn't even mean to do it just happened.

Darren

 

[dynamite]

Your the one that sounds like a jealous crybaby and comes up with lies .Appleton never said Efren did not shakes his hand you make everyone puke with your idiotic post ..

Thanks .. Haven't a clue where he got that story from .. I never not shaken my opponent hands .. ppl are good at making things up and blowing things out if proportion

 

[robsnotes4u]

Did you actually read

First rack... where did you get that?

This was when Darren had about 130 points, almost 10 racks into it... Just 20 balls away from a victory.
He was also a few points away from a run of 100, which is a $500 bonus.
If I dogged a simple shot that cost me $500, I'd be pissed too.

Additionally, I think I read that if he had won, he would have had an unbeatable record
and nobody could have caught up. But by dogging that ball, Dennis was near-guaranteed
to win the 14.1 game/match (Dennis was only like 10 points behind).

Which meant Darren had to sweat the possibility that Shane could catch up to him.

His reaction was unprofessional but understandable, and honestly, is anyone really offended?
Call me shallow but I get entertainment out of seeing players get emotional.
In no way do I get turned off or want to stop watching.
As long as it's more self-directed and not abusing/sharking other players.

Did you actually read the post he quoted? The first word says it all "IF".

 

[robsnotes4u]

Kudos

Who lied ? I never once said it quoted efren didn't shake my hand in fact he did .. So stop making stories up. Lol.

I actually agreed with ken that dq me from the match was the right thing to do before he announced it.. I knew straight away I was in the wrong and opoligized to everyone at the venue and my opponent.. Unfortunately sometimes we do things in heat of moment which was costly to me and something I regret..

But that's sport passion and emotion of drama happens so many greats of sports have done it from golf players to tennis players etc and many will do it again.. Was basically a moment of madness and didn't even mean to do it just happened.

Darren

Thank you Darren, and you handled yourself in a very professional manner after the incident. If more people acted just as you stated you did it would be awesome. You just gained a fan. I have always been a fan of your game, but now a fan of you.

 

[dynamite]

Thank you Darren, and you handled yourself in a very professional manner after the incident. If more people acted just as you stated you did it would be awesome. You just gained a fan. I have always been a fan of your game, but now a fan of you.

Thanks I know I done some things I don't like but I don't know a pool player in the world that's behaved like a saint .. But I always play to the rules and accept the Organisers decision and always give my opponent a handshake when I lose

Thanks for all who support me.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Thanks I know I done some things I don't like but I don't know a pool player in the world that's behaved like a saint .. But I always play to the rules and accept the Organisers decision and always give my opponent a handshake when I lose

Thanks for all who support me.

Your post Cup celebrations give your M Cup play the orange crush.

KK9 <-- just waiting for Daz to switch citizenship

 

[skogstokig]

even without knowing the ins and outs of the situation referred to i fully support any measurement to enforcing rules in american pool. talkers should be told to stfu too. this shouldn't even be a discussion, no kudos to ken for "daring to" DQ a pro player, this is what it should be like, all the time.

look at snooker. a thriving cue sport. and why? because there is ONE governing body, ONE set of rules, and strict disciplinary measures for those who break the rules. pool needs more authority, conformity and discipline.

 

[Nostroke]

Well if there's no penalty there is no incentive to change unless the day comes when you realize how stupid it is and you seek how to change how you respond to those situations

A sports shrink might help him tremendously




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I have already stated that it was the right decision. In fact in the AS Chat i said DQ immediately-way before Ken's decision. I was the FIRST one to put that forward but it was just black and white to me-didnt require a lot of pondering.

Im just trying to point out that it was a tenth of a second reaction and changing ones nature to no longer get heated and frustrated in situations like that is tremendously difficult-not a walk in the Park as JN implied

 

[00john]

The shot is a one ball foul, with the penalty, it comes to sixteen.
The math is right, even if the grammar could be argued with.

Never end a sentence with a preposition. Sportsmanship is under appreciated.:smile:

 

[pt109]

Never end a sentence with a preposition. Sportsmanship is under appreciated.:smile:

I was told that about prepositions in school...I asked "Why not?"
..never got a satisfactory answer...


Sooooo, a Southern lady asks a Northern lady.....
"Where y'all from?"
The other replied stiffly...
"I'm from a place where we never end a sentence with a preposition."
The belle from the South asks.....
"So, where y'all from, b$tch?"