Are we devaluing the iTrader system?

What history, there was no transaction

The history of breaking commitments, you read what he said. Some of us feel that people that back out of cue deals as a habit are a POS and don't want the hassle of doing business with them, or we at least want to have the knowledge so like he said we can structure the deal accordingly, like the "you have 4 hours to send paypal or it is back on the market". Some of us feel that people who sell a cue to someone else, after they already had already committed to a deal with you, are a POS.

For some of us keeping your word, and knowing who else does or does not keep their word, is important. To others like you, keeping your word is not important to you personally and you don't care if you deal with people who keep their word or not. The solution here is EASY. Have negative feedback for buyers that back out of deals, and for sellers that sell a cue to someone else after you had already agreed to buy it. Now the people to whom keeping your word is important will have that info and can adjust who they deal with accordingly. People like you that don't care if people keep their word or not can simply scan someone's iTrader feedback and ignore all the ones that say "backed out after agreeing to purchase" or "sold the cue to someone else after we had already made a deal" and decide if you want to deal with them based on the other feedback.

SIMPLE. Everybody gets what they want. It doesn't hurt you a bit to have the information and to just ignore what doesn't matter to you or that you don't agree with. It does however hurt the people to whom the information is important if they don't have it.
 
theres been roughly 4-5 transactions ive made with buying and selling where itrader rating was not left even after messaging them to leave feedback..in a way it can be frustrating as thats how the form of trust is formed on this site..im sure others have same experiences

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The history of breaking commitments, you read what he said. Some of us feel that people that back out of cue deals as a habit are a POS and don't want the hassle of doing business with them, or we at least want to have the knowledge so like he said we can structure the deal accordingly, like the "you have 4 hours to send paypal or it is back on the market". Some of us feel that people who sell a cue to someone else, after they already had already committed to a deal with you, are a POS.

For some of us keeping your word, and knowing who else does or does not keep their word, is important. To others like you, keeping your word is not important to you personally and you don't care if you deal with people who keep their word or not. The solution here is EASY. Have negative feedback for buyers that back out of deals, and for sellers that sell a cue to someone else after you had already agreed to buy it. Now the people to whom keeping your word is important will have that info and can adjust who they deal with accordingly. People like you that don't care if people keep their word or not can simply scan someone's iTrader feedback and ignore all the ones that say "backed out after agreeing to purchase" or "sold the cue to someone else after we had already made a deal" and decide if you want to deal with them based on the other feedback.

SIMPLE. Everybody gets what they want. It doesn't hurt you a bit to have the information and to just ignore what doesn't matter to you or that you don't agree with. It does however hurt the people to whom the information is important if they don't have it.

Y'all should try working a retail cashiering job for a while. Do you know how many times a day a customer hands you an item(s) at the register and says' "I've changed my mind on this"? Is it annoying....yup. Do you say anything to them about it...nope. Do you want them to continue to shop at your store, so you can continue to have a paycheck....yup. It's part of doing business...people are fickle. I've had it happen to me...tire kickers. I don't get all butt-hurt over it, because I never count on the cash until it's safely deposited into my bank account, and the buyer is happy. It is what it is.

Something about not counting chickens until they're hatched.
 
The history of breaking commitments, you read what he said. Some of us feel that people that back out of cue deals as a habit are a POS and don't want the hassle of doing business with them,

Members are unlikely to come to a consensus on this matter of whether it is appropriate to leave negative/neutral feedback for a non-transaction.

The simple solution is to either state in the ad when payment is due, or communicate with the buyer your terms. In either case the you can leave the ad posted with the message "Sold/Pending payment".

If I was interested in an item that was "Sold/Pending payment.", I would communicate with the seller my interest if the sale did not complete.

I'm not sure why people are so hot and bothered by the non-payment of an item that has not left their possession. Pay in 24 hours or the item is released/sale is forfeited and everyone moves-on.

The only scenario I can picture where the seller is upset would be for the item that wasn't worth the agreed price and the buyer walked. Because then the only solution is to find another sucker or sell the item at market price.

Jay
 
Members are unlikely to come to a consensus on this matter of whether it is appropriate to leave negative/neutral feedback for a non-transaction.

The simple solution is to either state in the ad when payment is due, or communicate with the buyer your terms. In either case the you can leave the ad posted with the message "Sold/Pending payment".

If I was interested in an item that was "Sold/Pending payment.", I would communicate with the seller my interest if the sale did not complete.

I'm not sure why people are so hot and bothered by the non-payment of an item that has not left their possession. Pay in 24 hours or the item is released/sale is forfeited and everyone moves-on.

The only scenario I can picture where the seller is upset would be for the item that wasn't worth the agreed price and the buyer walked. Because then the only solution is to find another sucker or sell the item at market price.

Jay

Jay

Exactly, and in that circumstance why not just figure you were trying to steal and didn't get away with rather than trying to bully the buyer into the deal or punishing him for escaping the trap?

Kevin
 
Y'all should try working a retail cashiering job for a while. Do you know how many times a day a customer hands you an item(s) at the register and says' "I've changed my mind on this"? Is it annoying....yup. Do you say anything to them about it...nope. Do you want them to continue to shop at your store, so you can continue to have a paycheck....yup. It's part of doing business...people are fickle. I've had it happen to me...tire kickers. I don't get all butt-hurt over it, because I never count on the cash until it's safely deposited into my bank account, and the buyer is happy. It is what it is.

Something about not counting chickens until they're hatched.

Selling on here is nothing like having a store. In a store, there aren't other people whose sale you are potentially missing out on because of a person who changed their mind about buying your item. This is more akin to selling your car on craigslist or with a newspaper ad (if anybody still does that) and some guy comes by and you strike a deal and he says I will take it, let me go get the money. Then he strings you along giving you excuses for the delay and finally after several days you figure the deal isn't going to happen.

In the mean time there were several other people who would have bought your car but you told them the car was already sold and they have now gone and found other cars and purchased them. You will obviously eventually sell your car, but because of that one person who didn't keep their word and was playing games now it will ultimately be a lot longer than it would have been before you end up with cash in your pocket. And aside from the inconvenience which you shouldn't have to endure, they delay could have kept you from paying your own bills etc.

But regardless, if you don't personally have a problem with that type of buyer that is your right. But many people do. The easy solution is to have negative feedback for buyers that back out. For those for whom it is important that people keep their word, it is valuable information. For those like you that it doesn't bother, when you look at the negatives someone has and they are all "backed out of the sale he agreed to" and the completed transactions are all positive then you know it is somebody you want to deal with and it was no skin off your back. Everybody has what they want that way.
 
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Kevin,

What I see is a bunch or people that want to waste other peoples time w/o penalty. As I said the time in between the I'll take it, and when you realize that you just got stonewalled plays a big factor.

JV

Jay

Exactly, and in that circumstance why not just figure you were trying to steal and didn't get away with rather than trying to bully the buyer into the deal or punishing him for escaping the trap?

Kevin
 
The only scenario I can picture where the seller is upset would be for the item that wasn't worth the agreed price and the buyer walked. Because then the only solution is to find another sucker or sell the item at market price.

That is a big reason for sure.
I want to know who all of these habitual offenders are, that go around all say saying "I'll take it" all day long.
It's happened to me a couple of times in 8-years, and some of the reports of the serial flakes are questionable.
Who are these guys?
 
You Palmer collectors are all alike><:smile:
Are you ever going to post pics of that old Wico thing I sold you?

Type79 (Jay) has just recently became THE Palmer Collector. Your ex-cue will just have to patiently wait it's turn.
 
Selling on here is nothing like having a store. In a store, there aren't other people whose sale you are potentially missing out on because of a person who changed their mind about buying your item. This is more akin to selling your car on craigslist or with a newspaper ad (if anybody still does that) and some guy comes by and you strike a deal and he says I will take it, let me go get the money. Then he strings you along giving you excuses for the delay and finally after several days you figure the deal isn't going to happen.

If a seller agrees to wait ... and wait ... and wait ... in other words an inordinate length of time, for a buyer to come up with the funds, the seller is contributing to the delay and is not smart enough to realize the buyer either doesn't have the money or isn't going to complete the transaction.

I rent apartments. If the prospect wants to lease the premises, the transaction is very simple: sign the lease, pay the security and the first months rent and we're done. If they want want the apartment, but don't have the funds, it is equally simple, get back to me when you do, but I continue to show the apartment.

I would suggest that sellers include payment terms and that item remains available for purchase to first person who forwards funds.

If something is worth X it will sell for X today, tomorrow, next week and next month.

Personally, I still believe ebay is a more effective marketplace and the only reason we sell here is to avoid the eBay fees. Here you sell at a fixed price and deprive yourself the eBay opportunity of the two drunks on a Saturday night bidding out of control, or the person in another country who has no other opportunity to purchase your item.
 
Originally Posted by cuesblues View Post
You Palmer collectors are all alike><
Are you ever going to post pics of that old Wico thing I sold you?

Your ex-cue will just have to patiently wait it's turn.

Ted I will try to take some pics tonight and post them in your thread so they can be viewed with the before pics. The only problem is that the cue looked damn good in the before pictures. I love that cue BTW. I very reluctantly parted with that for it's restoration.

Jay
 
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That is a big reason for sure.
I want to know who all of these habitual offenders are, that go around all say saying "I'll take it" all day long.
It's happened to me a couple of times in 8-years, and some of the reports of the serial flakes are questionable.
Who are these guys?

There are plenty, and some of them are real bad. And anyone that has spent much time in the wanted/for sale section knows this. But as I've said several times, what does it matter to you? It is really immaterial as it is no skin off your back either way. If we don't have negative for backing out of deals you don't care because people keeping their word isn't important to you. If we do have negative for backing out of deals you are going to look at the feedback for a person and see that their only negatives were for backing out of deals and you are going to want to do a deal with them because you could care less about that. You have all the info you need either way. Doesn't affect you in the least.

On the other hand, with no negative for backing out of deals, for those to whom keeping your word is important, or who have limited time to get a deal done and can't afford to have their time wasted, or who simply don't want the hassle of having to deal with it, they have do not have the information that is important to them and that allows them to make the best decisions for themselves. With negative for backing out of deals they now have information that is important to them in determining who to deal with or at least how to structure deals with certain offenders. And it still doesn't affect you either way.

Unless what you are really saying is I am one of those significant offenders and I don't want there to be any repercussions for my actions. If so then just say it. Otherwise it doesn't affect you either way.
 
There are plenty, and some of them are real bad. And anyone that has spent much time in the wanted/for sale section knows this. But as I've said several times, what does it matter to you? It is really immaterial as it is no skin off your back either way. If we don't have negative for backing out of deals you don't care because people keeping their word isn't important to you. If we do have negative for backing out of deals you are going to look at the feedback for a person and see that their only negatives were for backing out of deals and you are going to want to do a deal with them because you could care less about that. You have all the info you need either way. Doesn't affect you in the least.

On the other hand, with no negative for backing out of deals, for those to whom keeping your word is important, or who have limited time to get a deal done and can't afford to have their time wasted, or who simply don't want the hassle of having to deal with it, they have do not have the information that is important to them and that allows them to make the best decisions for themselves. With negative for backing out of deals they now have information that is important to them in determining who to deal with or at least how to structure deals with certain offenders. And it still doesn't affect you either way.

Unless what you are really saying is I am one of those significant offenders and I don't want there to be any repercussions for my actions. If so then just say it. Otherwise it doesn't affect you either way.

I also spend a good deal of time in the For Sale forum and I sell plenty of stuff there. I can't think of one instance where an AZ member has told me he was buying one of my items and not paid me. Not to say it doesn't exist, but in view of my experience, I have to wonder is this really a problem or just another AZ excuse to spew negativity.
 
If a seller agrees to wait ... and wait ... and wait ... in other words an inordinate length of time, for a buyer to come up with the funds, the seller is contributing to the delay and is not smart enough to realize the buyer either doesn't have the money or isn't going to complete the transaction.

Here we go with the blame the victim mentality of "it was her fault for being raped because of how she was dressed argument." How is it the seller's fault in any way, shape, or form if the buyer breaks their word? Time is immaterial. If the seller takes the buyers word that they will pay within 1 hour, 1 day, 3 days, or 1 week and keeps the item off the market because they took that person's word at face value I can't see how it is anyone's fault but the buyer's when he breaks his word. How much time has passed is truly immaterial.

Same if all they said was "I'll take it" and then you don't hear from them after that and can't reach them for a few days. Totally the buyer's fault. Now if you waited around for a month with no word and they never said in advance it would take a month then you probably shouldn't have done that, but it still doesn't change that the buyer was at fault for breaking their word.
 
I also spend a good deal of time in the For Sale forum and I sell plenty of stuff there. I can't think of one instance where an AZ member has told me he was buying one of my items and not paid me. Not to say it doesn't exist, but in view of my experience, I have to wonder is this really a problem or just another AZ excuse to spew negativity.
So you have been lucky. So it won't help you or doesn't affect you. And it is info you apparently don't care about. Good for you. A lot of people do want it though and have been affected and will find it to be valuable information. As clearly stated many times before, it won't affect you either way. But it will help some people. As such, it should included since it helps some and doesn't affect the rest. And an honest noting of someone's action is not "negativity". It is just the honest noting of someone's actions.
 
Type79 (Jay) has just recently became THE Palmer Collector. Your ex-cue will just have to patiently wait it's turn.

Chris, let me soft pedal this...you're out
Jay should come up with his own website and name it something original like:
The Palmer Collector II
www.palmercollector2.com

Please loan Jay your Schon catalog files, those are very helpful, and it will save me a trip to your site
 
There are plenty, and some of them are real bad. And anyone that has spent much time in the wanted/for sale section knows this. But as I've said several times, what does it matter to you? It is really immaterial as it is no skin off your back either way. If we don't have negative for backing out of deals you don't care because people keeping their word isn't important to you. If we do have negative for backing out of deals you are going to look at the feedback for a person and see that their only negatives were for backing out of deals and you are going to want to do a deal with them because you could care less about that. You have all the info you need either way. Doesn't affect you in the least.

On the other hand, with no negative for backing out of deals, for those to whom keeping your word is important, or who have limited time to get a deal done and can't afford to have their time wasted, or who simply don't want the hassle of having to deal with it, they have do not have the information that is important to them and that allows them to make the best decisions for themselves. With negative for backing out of deals they now have information that is important to them in determining who to deal with or at least how to structure deals with certain offenders. And it still doesn't affect you either way.

Unless what you are really saying is I am one of those significant offenders and I don't want there to be any repercussions for my actions. If so then just say it. Otherwise it doesn't affect you either way.


Is that an accusation
Sounds like it to me
Let's post up on that one

If this really happens as much as you say, so much that "anyone who has spent much time in the wanted / for sale section knows", then who would take them seriously.
Treat it like spam, and don't get yourself all strung out with these known serial offenders
 
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Is that an accusation
Sounds like it to me
Let's post up on that one

If this really happens as much as you say, so much that "anyone who has spent much time in the wanted / for sale section knows", then who would take them seriously.
Treat it like spam, and don't get yourself all strung out with these known serial offenders

I'm saying exactly what I've been saying. If we have negative feedback for backing out of deals it doesn't affect you in the least. But it does help the significant portion for whom keeping your word is important. Benefits many, doesn't affect the rest at all. Figuring out what we should do here sure doesn't seem to be rocket science to me.
 
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