Prove CTE does not work.

Shawn Armstrong said:
"2 girls 1 cup" got something like 19M views on YouTube.

While we're on YouTube vids, here's one that everyone should watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI_zfwxy94A

Just over 3000 views. And much more informative than anything that's been posted regarding CTE. Get a hot beverage, sacrifice 7 minutes, and just listen.
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Hi Shawn, welcome back. Thought you were done with pool.

Anyway, are you going to make a video proving that CTE does not work? That's the topic here.

400,000+ views demonstrating it vs. 0 views of it being disproven so far.

All you need is a video camera and a pool table.
 
JB Cases said:
Anyway, are you going to make a video proving that CTE does not work? That's the topic here.

400,000+ views demonstrating it vs. 0 views of it being disproven so far.

All you need is a video camera and a pool table.
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You can't prove something that is subjective. You may as well be trying to prove that steak tastes better than bacon.

The only aiming system I've ever seen that actually offered any proof of their validity is ghost ball, and the Chin method of equal-opposite. All of their aiming systems took the pocket into account when explaining their systems. Seeing as CTE doesn't account for the pocket, and instead uses a pre-established 2:1 ratio of table length to width, us "math geeks" aren't going to get the answer we want, because we don't get to see how the pocket is accounted for,

Mike Sigel, in his videos, advocated ghost ball when he was aiming. And then he went on to run 100 balls in straight pool. Gerry Williams has put together some fantastic runs with CTE.

Here's my point. WHO CARES.......go make some cases, John. You're merely speaking to the same 10 people that show up to your soapbox for today's CTE sermon.

There is no spoon.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
You can't prove something that is subjective. You may as well be trying to prove that steak tastes better than bacon.

The only aiming system I've ever seen that actually offered any proof of their validity is ghost ball, and the Chin method of equal-opposite. All of their aiming systems took the pocket into account when explaining their systems. Seeing as CTE doesn't account for the pocket, and instead uses a pre-established 2:1 ratio of table length to width, us "math geeks" aren't going to get the answer we want, because we don't get to see how the pocket is accounted for,

Mike Sigel, in his videos, advocated ghost ball when he was aiming. And then he went on to run 100 balls in straight pool. Gerry Williams has put together some fantastic runs with CTE.

Here's my point. WHO CARES.......go make some cases, John. You're merely speaking to the same 10 people that show up to your soapbox for today's CTE sermon.

There is no spoon.
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Efren advocates centers and edges. Really the debate should be over with that little tidbit.
 
JB Cases said:
Well then if you're not going to make a video I guess we just have to go with Stan's teaching and follow his directions.

4000+ views on just that video. Climbing daily. Much more than this thread and whatever you written during your time. You better get cracking on those disprove CTE videos to catch up to Stan. Between all of us that have made videos there are more than 400,000 views on YouTube.

I don't know what that translates into as far as people trying it out but I know that wherever I go someone asks me to show them.

Seriously, just go to the table and make the video. Then we will have something to discuss because until now all you have to discuss are the videos where those who teach CTE and those who are studying it are demonstrating their understanding of it.
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I've argued the same points as what satori is saying.
Anybody that has played pool for awhile can see the real truth here.
 
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cookie man said:
Efren advocates centers and edges. Really the debate should be over with that little tidbit.
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Here's the debate, as I see it. There are a chosen few that feel the need to validate their systems, through diagrams or mathematical proofs. Some go as far as to post videos on the validity of their system. Then, there are those that really don't care about these "systems".

Not every player uses one system. That little tidbit should be enough to make people realize that their way is the best FOR THEM. Not for everyone else. John likes wearing t-shirts that are 2 sizes too large for him. I like wearing tailored dress shirts. Now, both t-shirts and dress shirts exist. And anyone can choose to wear either shirt. What we have are a bunch of people telling us that t-shirts are better than dress shirts, and here's the video as to why my t-shirt is the best shirt in the world.

Aim is merely the start of the "shot". You could be the world's BEST practitioner of CTE, but without any sense of speed control, spin and strategy, you'll still be a 4/5 in the APA. Putting racks together has very little to do with aim, and has everything to do with angles, speed and spin. We need new subforums: the SPIN forum, the SPEED forum, and the ANGLES forums. Could someone get working on those?
 
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cookie man said:
Efren advocates centers and edges. Really the debate should be over with that little tidbit.
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Efren told you that ?

We asked him how to shoot a shot at HT, he said, " dito ang patok" pointing with the tip ( meaning the cue ball is here ).
He had a shortstop friend Jerry Jamito try his Viking with Predator shaft . Efren shot with it once and threw it away after that.
He said he aimed here and the cue ball went here.
 
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JoeyInCali said:
cookie man said:
Efren advocates centers and edges. Really the debate should be over with that little tidbit.
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Efren told you that ?

We asked him how to shoot a shot at HT, he said, " dito ang patok" pointing with the tip ( meaning the cue ball is here ).
He had a shortstop friend Jerry Jamito try his Viking with Predator shaft . Efren shot with it once and threw it away after that.
He said he aimed here and the cue ball went here.
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I agree. I don't know where aiming system devotees get this that they think Efren shoots with edges, or implying (or even outright saying) that he uses a pivot-based aiming system. He doesn't. Efren is just that good with knowledge of his cue ball, that he's able to put it right where he wants it.

None of this, "edge of ball; another edge of ball; and a bunch of 'stuff' in between" where he can't use his excellent spacial perception to put the volume of the cue ball right where it needs to be. Efren has knowledge of the entire volume of the cue ball.

-Sean
 
JoeyInCali said:
Efren told you that ?

We asked him how to shoot a shot at HT, he said, " dito ang patok" pointing with the tip ( meaning the cue ball is here ).
He had a shortstop friend Jerry Jamito try his Viking with Predator shaft . Efren shot with it once and threw it away after that.
He said he aimed here and the cue ball went here.
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Theres an old article from a magazine thats been posted numerous times. In it it says Efren uses centers and edges. Not saying he uses CTE just that he uses centers and edges.
 
sfleinen said:
I agree. I don't know where aiming system devotees get this that they think Efren shoots with edges, or implying (or even outright saying) that he uses a pivot-based aiming system. He doesn't. Efren is just that good with knowledge of his cue ball, that he's able to put it right where he wants it.

None of this, "edge of ball; another edge of ball; and a bunch of 'stuff' in between" where he can't use his excellent spacial perception to put the volume of the cue ball right where it needs to be. Efren has knowledge of the entire volume of the cue ball.

-Sean
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Sean, I'm certain you've seen the article about that asked the pro's how they aim. Been posted several times.
 
cookie man said:
Theres an old article from a magazine thats been posted numerous times. In it it says Efren uses centers and edges. Not saying he uses CTE just that he uses centers and edges.
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Yes, and Efren told her there are only three shots in pool too.
All the Houligans rode that article.

If you don't speak Tagalog, Efren told you jack. Especially when the article is from the early 90's when Efren barely spoke English. Efren could not articulate himself good enough in English then . He and Busty can barely articulate themselves in English to teach now.

I was with Efren the day Mark Wilson called about the COM match with Earl.
Back then Efren had a Meucci playing stick and Maximum breaking stick along with his $15 cue . He was at a common friend's house.
 
Think there are plenty of videos proving CTE doesn't work. Bet Stan wishes you would stop posting them JB. Just teasing.

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JB is an advocate of CTE. The match is over. How about JB posting a video of himself play the ghost in 9 ball race to 10. Maybe a game or two of banks. You can't be an advocate of something like CTE using everyone else's work. I think JB's skillset is exactly what everyone is looking for as proof. Not players who could runs racks before but now use CTE. Sounds fair to me.

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jburkm002 said:
JB is an advocate of CTE. The match is over. How about JB posting a video of himself play the ghost in 9 ball race to 10. Maybe a game or two of banks. You can't be an advocate of something like CTE using everyone else's work. I think JB's skillset is exactly what everyone is looking for as proof. Not players who could runs racks before but now use CTE. Sounds fair to me.

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jburkm002 said:
Think there are plenty of videos proving CTE doesn't work. Bet Stan wishes you would stop posting them JB. Just teasing.

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Surprised it took so long to make the obvious joke.

If the people who claim CTE does not work won't accept demonstrations as proof that it does then my demonstrations don't prove anything.

I know what I know. I know that I have put in enough table time to know that CTE works.

What I want to see is one or more of you all going to the table like James Randi gets on stage to prove CTE doesn't work.

Like Bill Nye said in a debate with a creationist I will change my mind instantly when you bring credible proof.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
You can't prove something that is subjective. You may as well be trying to prove that steak tastes better than bacon.

The only aiming system I've ever seen that actually offered any proof of their validity is ghost ball, and the Chin method of equal-opposite. All of their aiming systems took the pocket into account when explaining their systems. Seeing as CTE doesn't account for the pocket, and instead uses a pre-established 2:1 ratio of table length to width, us "math geeks" aren't going to get the answer we want, because we don't get to see how the pocket is accounted for,

Mike Sigel, in his videos, advocated ghost ball when he was aiming. And then he went on to run 100 balls in straight pool. Gerry Williams has put together some fantastic runs with CTE.

Here's my point. WHO CARES.......go make some cases, John. You're merely speaking to the same 10 people that show up to your soapbox for today's CTE sermon.

There is no spoon.
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I care. You care. Otherwise we don't bother having the conversation.

If you can't prove that CTE doesn't work then perhaps this conversation isn't for you.

I wasn't asking for proof of anything else. If you are a person who claims CTE doesn't work then prove it. Otherwise you have wasted your time here.

And you're really wasting your time telling me what to do Shawn.



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JoeyInCali said:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4719790&postcount=20
How would you use CTE on that ?
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CTE on what? A kick shot?

I personally would not use CTE fir that. I would go back to ghost ball and use double the distance. DTD works well and I have been using it for 20 years. Although little Joe Villapando has much much stronger methods. I am working on his as I have time and inclination.

Again Joey a player can use any tool they have from raw intuition to system based knowledge to line themselves up to the shot.

You don't have to use CTE ever. But if you don't know it then you can't ever choose to use it.

The whole point here is that you are spending so much energy trying to PREVENT people from trying it rather than leaving them alone to try what they want.

Just go make a video showing it doesn't work and we can talk about that. Set up all the shots you want and prove it doesn't work.

By the way I shot your challenge shot yesterday. 20 minute video that will take about four hours to upload.
 
JB Cases said:
CTE on what? A kick shot?

I personally would not use CTE fir that. I would go back to ghost ball and use double the distance. DTD works well and I have been using it for 20 years. Although little Joe Villapando has much much stronger methods. I am working on his as I have time and inclination.

Again Joey a player can use any tool they have from raw intuition to system based knowledge to line themselves up to the shot.

You don't have to use CTE ever. But if you don't know it then you can't ever choose to use it.

The whole point here is that you are spending so much energy trying to PREVENT people from trying it rather than leaving them alone to try what they want.

Just go make a video showing it doesn't work and we can talk about that. Set up all the shots you want and prove it doesn't work.

By the way I shot your challenge shot yesterday. 20 minute video that will take about four hours to upload.
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Show where you think it does not work and demonstrate that.
Actually, I tried to answer THAT.

And that there is already this.
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#ProOne
 
JB Cases said:
None of which is the video proof asked for here.

Go to the table and put these thoughts on video. Demonstrate them.



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I asked you what CTE?
Can I use HH ?
And I asked where we can find the CTE shots .

Why don't you just say Pro I ???
Except you're not authorized to debate Pro 1.

Then again as Neil has said, CTE is not magic pill.
And that if someone shoots a CTE shot and misses, it'll be an endless debate how he missed.
 
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