Prove CTE does not work.

Straightpool_99 said:
Dr.Dave made a good effort in showing why cte needs some adjustments to work.. I don't think anyone can do much better, since the perceptions all happen in the "software". My first idea was to attach a binocular aiming scope to a springloaded cue and then use wooden blocks with groves for pivots. But why bother? It would take time and money and no doubt would be dismissed instantly anyway. Common sense dictates that the number of pivot lengths needed to hit the exact center of the pocket on any length of shot would be huge.

Even if some poor fool would dare to put up a video of himself shooting as proof, his technique would be picked apart and ridiculed to no end, and he would be harrassed into silence. My advice to the person wanting to learn cte is to try the free cte info on youtube and Dr.Daves site first. If you can make that work, then maybe cte is for you. If not, then....
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Good points. Except Dave has yet to go beyond his theory and test out his thought on the table.

What if a person did go try to learn CTE and then came to AZb with questions? Should that person be discouraged from going further by people who claim it doesn't work?

Or should they be left alone to discuss it in peace with others who are also interested?



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This and many other diagrams, just goes to show how little Dr. Doolittle knows about CTE/Pro-One and pool in general. There is so much wrong information on that website.... aim_fixed_pivot.jpg
 
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Perhaps we should notify Bob Jewett and Tom Ross of your findings, so that they can dissociate themselves from Dr. Dave and his site as soon as possible.

pablocruz said:
This and many other diagrams, just goes to show how little Dr. Doolittle knows about CTE/Pro-One and pool in general. There is so much wrong information on that website....
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JoeyInCali said:
It sure did.
Around the 15 minute mark.

I have another shot were BHE will not work.
But, as you said in the video, from experience you will have to find another tool to make some shots.
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The point is as I said in the video if there is a shot for which a given method won't work then use another method.

Is that hard to grasp?

I shot your shots easily.

CTE worked perfectly for shooting the rail shot center ball. I bet with a little practice I can shoot it all day long with side spin. I would know how much to adjust if adjustment is needed.

Now I made mine, where is your video proving that CTE does not work?
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Dr.Dave made a good effort in showing why cte needs some adjustments to work.. I don't think anyone can do much better, since the perceptions all happen in the "software". My first idea was to attach a binocular aiming scope to a springloaded cue and then use wooden blocks with groves for pivots. But why bother? It would take time and money and no doubt would be dismissed instantly anyway. Common sense dictates that the number of pivot lengths needed to hit the exact center of the pocket on any length of shot would be huge.

Even if some poor fool would dare to put up a video of himself shooting as proof, his technique would be picked apart and ridiculed to no end, and he would be harrassed into silence. My advice to the person wanting to learn cte is to try the free cte info on youtube and Dr.Daves site first. If you can make that work, then maybe cte is for you. If not, then....
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The only advice it a new person wants to try cte is Stan's youtube videos. RUN from Dr. Dave's site when it comes to cte.
 
JB Cases said:
Here you go Joey. Hope this answers your questions

Joey Bautista challenge shot.: http://youtu.be/naGNHWtwduw

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John, I have to say that you don't align correctly to play these shots in your video. You make adjustments due to visual intelligence. Maybe you don't notice that, but you have to believe me. And you should not show 2 different things at the same time. Stan's cte pro one does not use Ron's hip pivot. And 90/90 does not work with pro one visuals.
 
ps611846 said:
John, I have to say that you don't align correctly to play these shots in your video. You make adjustments due to visual intelligence. Maybe you don't notice that, but you have to believe me. And you should not show 2 different things at the same time. Stan's cte pro one does not use Ron's hip pivot. And 90/90 does not work with pro one visuals.
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Well, I just show whatever comes to me as I do the video. As I say over and over I am student of these methods and not a teacher.

I will film myself in slow motion and see if I can see whatever you see.
 
JB Cases said:
Well, I just show whatever comes to me as I do the video. As I say over and over I am student of these methods and not a teacher.

I will film myself in slow motion and see if I can see whatever you see.
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If you decide to upload a video that shows a method to others, you have to know what you are doing. I don't have any problem with you. And I am also a student of the game. I don't think it is good to show something in a video without having the "knowledge". You can keep practicing for yourself. And you have to work a lot on your alignment. This thing you do with your stroking arm shows that you are not aligned correctly. It could be your head pisition or your feet position. Or both of them. And that causes this "bad movement" of your right arm. And that's why you don't split the pocket with pro one shots.

Again, no problem with you at all. I just watched your video and made a comment.

Panagiotis
 
ps611846 said:
John, I have to say that you don't align correctly to play these shots in your video. You make adjustments due to visual intelligence. Maybe you don't notice that, but you have to believe me. And you should not show 2 different things at the same time. Stan's cte pro one does not use Ron's hip pivot. And 90/90 does not work with pro one visuals.
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If you mean not doing the manual pivot, then 90/90 works just fine with pro 1 visuals.
 
ps611846 said:
If you decide to upload a video that shows a method to others, you have to know what you are doing. I don't have any problem with you. And I am also a student of the game. I don't think it is good to show something in a video without having the "knowledge". You can keep practicing for yourself. And you have to work a lot on your alignment. This thing you do with your stroking arm shows that you are not aligned correctly. It could be your head pisition or your feet position. Or both of them. And that causes this "bad movement" of your right arm. And that's why you don't split the pocket with pro one shots.

Again, no problem with you at all. I just watched your video and made a comment.

Panagiotis
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Do you have any video of you playing with CTE ProOne that we can add to the archives?

I don't recall that I was TEACHING anyone. I have the knowledge. I think that when I use ProOne I am doing it correctly. When I don't bear down and follow through I do tend to swing my arm out AFTER THE BALL IS LONG GONE.
 
He's right, John.

Before you start looking for a rematch with Lou, your number one priority must be to fix your flawed fundamentals. You can still keep working on Pro One while you do this.

For all the great players in China, there's absolutely no reason you can't find a good coach to correct those flaws.

If you don't do that, then it doesn't matter how much better you get with Pro One. Lou will still win.

All the best,

Jon
 
BeiberLvr said:
He's right, John.

Before you start looking for a rematch with Lou, your number one priority must be to fix your flawed fundamentals. You can still keep working on Pro One while you do this.

For all the great players in China, there's absolutely no reason you can't find a good coach to correct those flaws.

If you don't do that, then it doesn't matter how much better you get with Pro One. Lou will still win.

All the best,

Jon
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Lou won't win. I know what I need to work on. What flaws? Bustamante moves more than a gymnast on crack. I know I have issues but you guys are missing the point that I am making. In this video doing Joey's challenge shot I bobbled one ball and made all the rest with and without sidespin.

Only when I went to the rail shot with extreme english did I miss a couple and I explained the reasons why and what I would do to correct it. I also made several of the rail shots.
 
JB Cases said:
Do you have any video of you playing with CTE ProOne that we can add to the archives?

I don't recall that I was TEACHING anyone. I have the knowledge. I think that when I use ProOne I am doing it correctly. When I don't bear down and follow through I do tend to swing my arm out AFTER THE BALL IS LONG GONE.
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I am not attacking you, but I think you do this to me. No problem my friend. You don't want the truth, that's ok. Cte pro one only works with strong fundamentals and a straight stroke. With your stroke there is no chance to make it work. Make a video shooting the ob to left and right corner pockets. Ob exactly between side pockets at the center of the table. Cb at 2,5 to 3 diamonds distance.

If I decide to make a video and upload it I want to be sure that I do it correctly. Just like Gerry.

Panagiotis
 
JB Cases said:
Lou won't win. I know what I need to work on. What flaws? Bustamante moves more than a gymnast on crack. I know I have issues but you guys are missing the point that I am making. In this video doing Joey's challenge shot I bobbled one ball and made all the rest with and without sidespin.

Only when I went to the rail shot with extreme english did I miss a couple and I explained the reasons why and what I would do to correct it. I also made several of the rail shots.
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Bustamante uses shoulder movement on purpose. Not because of false alignment to the shot. His stroke, his feet positions and his delivery is perfect. You don't know what you are talikng about.

You arm movement is a result of false alignment. Your brain gets into this at the last moment because the shot doesn't feel ok. But this happens on the final stroke. And it's too late.
 
ps611846 said:
I am not attacking you, but I think you do this to me. No problem my friend. You don't want the truth, that's ok. Cte pro one only works with strong fundamentals and a straight stroke. With your stroke there is no chance to make it work. Make a video shooting the ob to left and right corner pockets. Ob exactly between side pockets at the center of the table. Cb at 2,5 to 3 diamonds distance.

If I decide to make a video and upload it I want to be sure that I do it correctly. Just like Gerry.

Panagiotis
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I don't understand your criticism? I went back and watched the video. I made all the shots that Joey challenged with except one that rattled in the corner.

My trouble came when I chose to go further and put the cue ball on the rail and shoot it with extreme spin. As Stan and everyone else has said, when using side spin all bets are off because of all the variables around squirt and deflection.

Sooooo..... as I said in the video that is a shot I would need to work on and figure out the best method to use, be it CTE/ProOne through asking advice from Stan or Gerry or whomever could help me - OR by choosing another method, such as Ghost Ball with adjustment. That was the point.

CTE/Pro One WORKS with weak fundamentals as well because the GOAL with CTE is to get on the shot line.

So as long as you are able to do that you can still be weak in execution and you will still make more shots because you are on the right shot line.

IF you have a great laser stroke then sure it's much better, as I have said a zillion times. I have also said that one of the flipsides to using CTE is that once on the right shot line it's EASY to throw the cue ball off the line with a bad stroke.

I don't mind your criticism, just make sure it's properly placed. As I said I will film myself in slow motion to better see whatever it is that you think you see. As for my videos and how I choose to make them, don't worry about it. I put them out when I have time to make them which isn't much and I am certain I have been very helpful in introducing people to CTE throughout the world. I know that wherever I go someone asks me to demonstrate it in person and so far I haven't met any one who was not convinced that it works after I showed them.

So even if I am not doing it dead perfect I am doing it well enough to make a proper introduction and turn them over to someone like Stan.
 
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