Yeah, you are right. I watched it on my computer before I uploaded where I can go frame by frame (don't think you can do that easily on youtube), and on the misses, it looks like my tip veers off quite a bit. I'll have to work on that for sure.
Prove CTE does not work.
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Yeah, you are right. I watched it on my computer before I uploaded where I can go frame by frame (don't think you can do that easily on youtube), and on the misses, it looks like my tip veers off quite a bit. I'll have to work on that for sure.
And you can tell how the cb is tracking off the second rail.
Your putting right on the cb.
The timing was off between responses.
I don't think you do know speeds if you have me rated an AA player.
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That's been my point all along. Never said aiming systems don't work and never will. To many seemingly sane people say they work. My only issue is to many people look for a system of some sort before fixing the fundamental issues. It's kinda like trying to learn a banking system before you can shoot straight in shots. Take baby steps in pool. Find a way to test yourself before going to the next step. I haven't watched everything on the ZERO-X journey. However the first thing I noticed was TOR worked on stroke before moving on to the next step. If the stroke wasn't good that's all they worked on until it was. So before trying to learn any system make sure your stroke is good.
Exactly !!! In dvd2 you can see Landon's stroke from different angles. Man, it's amazing. The way it remains straight all the way is something that takes a lot of practice. I don't think anyone can shoot straighter than that.
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I have you as a borderline A-, but you are probably a B+. I only based the A- on you running 98 or so balls. Anything I've seen of you in person or in video was B+, IMO.
So why make misleading statements? I ran that 98 in 1990.
At one time you thought I couldn't beat your four ball ghost game.
If you want to be in the conversation then don't play childish games.
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Huh? What's misleading or childish about running 98 and being an A-? I don't understand your post at all? You don't think that's fair? It doesn't matter much how long ago it was. You did it. You can still play and get back to close to that.
As you may recall, the 4 ball ghost game I had told you if I knew you ran 98, (at any point in your life) I would have never bet you. All the info I had on you before I made the bet was videos you yourself posted, which looked just like your vid response to Joey today. Miscues, missing hangers repeatedly, etc. By those videos, I thought I was a lock, and did bet it.
In fact, the video you made for Joey today was crazy full of misses, yet you posted several times "I made the shot Joey said". Who cares, you missed a TON of other shots.
Furthermore, we all know the 4 ball ghost is not hard. BUT, I stand by my statement that it takes a minimum level player to do it "10 consecutive racks in a row". You are obviously at that level.
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Just curious, but out of your 104 billiards related videos, how many have been devoted to helping the viewer understand how to achieve a good stroke?
Did you say you don't like arguing???
You're becoming pointless.
You already said if one shot does not work in one system, it doesn't invalidate the system. Why they hell are you still asking ?
Are you saying CTE with BHE will work in ALL SHOTS?
You did not shoot my shot easily. You were a lot closer to the ball .
. BHE doesn't work all the time. You will still have to have the feel if at a given distance, throw will be more than squirt. You said it yourself.
If you had to use feel or visualization, then it is no longer CTE alone. As Neil said, CTE brings to the line of the shot with center ball.
Good, no need to show another shot.
You didn't show me a shot where squirt was a lot more than the throw could handle.
If your'e gonna argue CTE aiming to the center of the pocket loaded with high inside from 4 diamonds or farther is going to work without allowing for the squirt, have fun. I ain't listening .
Your words.
GOOD, CTE ALONE DOES NOT WORK.
You have to visualize the shots.
Did you actually say you don't like arguing?
I'm out.
I'm not posting ANOTHER video.
Crazy full of misses? Really? How many misses? How many miscues? How many shots were taken? What was the context of each shot?
As for your "info" you should have done your homework because I mentioned having run 98 dozens of times. You simply popped off trying to "get me" because you thought I wasn't as good as you are.
So back to the "full of crazy misses" comment?
Shooting Joey's shot, while explaining how to use CTE Aiming and Sidespin each shot, I made 8 shots and missed 1 and had one miscue.
When I took it to the rail shot I made 6 and 3 WHILE EXPERIMENTING.
You missed ALL THE POINTS made and focused solely on the make/miss ratio. If you want to make a silent movie where we are having a shotmaking contest Nick then we can do that, you and I can bet it up.
Again for an engineer I think the degree was probably wasted on you if this is going to be the "quality" of your posts. As with you just going by the observation of your actions. An engineer who thinks it's impossible for people to improve their speed playing pool isn't much of one I think.
It's not your hand-eye coordination that is the problem.
I'm not sure if it was said, but I'll certainly say it. No "B"-player (even "B+") can run 98 balls. Even on a blue moon, with fair winds and following seas. I don't care who you are. "B"-players typically can't get past two racks without running into severe trouble, or having to rely on cue ball gymnastics (i.e. "9-ball straight pool" -- which is actually quite funny to watch). Running a 98 means more than passing knowledge of patterns.
I ran a 98 on May 3rd (see the Challenge thread at the top of the 14.1 forum), and although I'd been in this territory many times before, even I had trouble at that point -- I'd put myself into a break-ball situation where I had to really test the limits of cheating the pocket to get an angle for the cue ball into the rack, and I bobbled that break ball. Run over. Summary: I play 14.1 all the time, and as a working man it's a real test for me in the 98+ territory. For a primarily short-rack rotation player who professes to play 14.1 only in a blue moon, yet has achieved a 98-ball run in straight pool, that tells me (even more so) that the player in question is most definitely *NOT* a "B"-player. Or, that the player in question suffered some catastrophic atrophy of skillset over the years since, where he was once a solid "A+" but is now a firm "B."
John, if you're playing better pool than ever because of CTE, but yet you had this 98-ball run way back in 1990 (I'm guessing this is well before you learned CTE), I do have to question what your definition of "better pool playing" really is. :scratchhead:
-Sean
Yikes! I better quit my day job! Maybe take up being a casino "cooler" only for pool players.
Asking what? I asked you to make a video proving CTE does not work. You have not done so.
I think CTE + BHE will work on the majority of shots. I have said that a hundred times. And just because there is a shot that I am not (yet) proficient at doesn't mean that CTE can't be used for it.
As I said if I come up against a shot I can't figure out then I can ALWAYS ask people who are better than me how they shoot it and get an answer that works.
You're mixing things. AGAIN CTE/ProOne is not factoring sidepin, deflection and squirt from sidespin into the shot line. It simply brings you TO the center ball shot line and what you do with that in regards to sidespin is up to you.
My opinion is that getting to the 100% correct centerball shot line is itself a huge advantage. The adjustment off that line for sidespin is very small.
You haven't been listening since you joined the conversation years ago. You aren't at all interested in whether CTE works because you have already made up your mind that it doesn't.
I will shoot the same shot from four diamonds, five diamonds, whatever, the point remains the same, CTE = CENTERBALL SHOT LINE. Using sidespin is dependent on many other variables. Which you know but you insist on arguing maliciously anyway.
Your words.
I didn't say that. I said CTE brings you to the CENTER BALL SHOT LINE. Which I adequately proved in the video by making every shot that was aimed center ball.
I said IF you're faced with a shot that CTE doesn't handle then you simply choose another method. Is that a really tough concept for you? If you get a piece of wood that your trusty reliable brand of glue won't handle do you quit using your favorite glue for all other projects OR do you simply figure out what you need to do for that piece of wood and keep going?
You're not out. You keep coming back like a bad infection. Every time you say you're done you're back again with the same points.
I shot the shot I thought you played, I can shoot any shot you post and put it in the context of the system addressing your points. You can't prove CTE doesn't work because you're unwilling and possibly unable to learn CTE enough to properly analyze it.
You show me a short video of ONE SHOT being made and think that proves anything. I make lengthy videos uncut where I address your points and discuss them and you slink away. So no, I don't enjoy discussing or arguing or debating with someone like you because people like you are not at all interested in dialog. You are not at all interested in finding common ground.
What you are interested in is spreading your own misery and taking whatever fun in pool that you see and turning it into crap. I don't know why but it's sad to see.
Dear Sean,
When I was playing in 1990 I played every waking moment that I could. I went to every tournament I could and was in action every moment I could be in action. I did hardly anything but play pool. There was no internet, no distractions, just pool.
My honest feeling is that had I known about CTE back then - with no distractions and that much drive I would have run more than that one 98. I also didn't spend a lot of time playing 14.1.
My drive to play diminished a lot after 2000. I started my business in Colorado and had 8 employees and spent more time selling cases and no time practicing. That's when I met Hal. Even so I was playing enough to maintain a decent level and shortly after meeting Hal and using his methods I won a state BCA tournament. But overall I just wasn't into pool as much as I had been in my early 20s.
Now come forward to now, I am am physically a shell of the player that I was OVERALL but my aiming is way better and my knowledge is way better.
IF I were to be as dedicated NOW as a I was the early 90s then I have no doubt I would run 100 regularly. Now though I am physically hurt and I have a family to provide for so my interest in pool runs more towards occasional play and casual gambling. Yes, I am a B player now but I wasn't always a B player and had I had CTE when I was an A player then I would have been a AA or better - of that I am sure.
Even with all that I played a casual game of straight pool with two of my customers a few years ago and ran off three plus racks after about 15 minutes of playing. We played games to 50 winner stays on the table.