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it makes sense how easy the game becomes when we start doing what's effective
I'm glad to hear that, it makes sense how easy the game becomes when we start doing what's effective, rather than what "feels good"......I was extremely lucky to get the right info from players like Buddy Hall, Wade Crane, Omaha John, and Dalton Leong (among many others).....they showed me how to make my game "pressure proof," and that made all the difference through the years.
"if it feels right, it's probably wrong when it comes to pool" - CJ Wiley
I'm glad to hear that, it makes sense how easy the game becomes when we start doing what's effective, rather than what "feels good"......I was extremely lucky to get the right info from players like Buddy Hall, Wade Crane, Omaha John, and Dalton Leong (among many others).....they showed me how to make my game "pressure proof," and that made all the difference through the years.
"if it feels right, it's probably wrong when it comes to pool" - CJ Wiley
Thanks for your post CJ. I have been using the TOI for 4 months now and have gained confidence with it. I use it on a lot of shots, including straight in ones. I like the way the object ball reacts, and my make percentage has sky rocketed!! I used to run 50s maybe once a week but lately almost everyday I've been able to do it. I have seen other pros use it, but they don't speak about it much, and that includes Dennis Hatch. I saw him use it on a very straight in shot on the 9 ball in the Mosconi Cup, and it was the year you were the Captain.
It was ever so slight but with the camera angle I saw clearly he used TOI. I only wish I would have started using this 20 years ago, but at least I'm doing it now
Thanks CJ for sharing your knowledge on TOI, it's amazing the way the object ball reacts!! I don't understand why it reacts the way it does. I think when I used center ball before I was probably hitting it a hair off on the follow through. Now I am probably closer to center using TOI.
TOI has taught me so much about the game that I could not have learned otherwise.
You're certainly welcome, Mark, now if I could only learn to play the guitar like you can.
TOI is an incredible "secret," and it's taught me so much about the game that I could not have learned otherwise.....the 'Touch of Inside' is the ultimate "inside information," however, like learning guitar, everyone must experience, practice and utilize the proper techniques to reap the rewards. 'The TOI Information is the Teacher'
Thanks for your post CJ. I have been using the TOI for 4 months now and have gained confidence with it. I use it on a lot of shots, including straight in ones. I like the way the object ball reacts, and my make percentage has sky rocketed!! I used to run 50s maybe once a week but lately almost everyday I've been able to do it. I have seen other pros use it, but they don't speak about it much, and that includes Dennis Hatch. I saw him use it on a very straight in shot on the 9 ball in the Mosconi Cup, and it was the year you were the Captain.
It was ever so slight but with the camera angle I saw clearly he used TOI. I only wish I would have started using this 20 years ago, but at least I'm doing it now
You're certainly welcome, Mark, now if I could only learn to play the guitar like you can.
TOI is an incredible "secret," and it's taught me so much about the game that I could not have learned otherwise.....the 'Touch of Inside' is the ultimate "inside information," however, like learning guitar, everyone must experience, practice and utilize the proper techniques to reap the rewards. 'The TOI Information is the Teacher'
I appreciate you saying this, teaching players is, in many ways, more satisfying
I appreciate you saying these things - teaching players is, in many ways, more satisfying than playing.
One of my students just left from a 2 hour lesson and he's already catching on to the Advanced TOI Shots.....the important thing is to FIRST develop a stoke that has "coil" in your shoulder/arm/hand so you can hit the cue ball precisely (your entire body should connect to the tip).....then the 'Touch of Inside' becomes more instinctive.
Each time I give a lesson I learn something, and today's been exceptional. I went over how to choke up on the cue and use TOI to create fine cuts (it's like "chipping" in golf) .... these come up all the time playing one-pocket and Efren's one of the best at "cutting and killing" the cue ball with inside english.
Play Well GreenFeltguy, and let me know if you ever have any questions concerning our game. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I appreciate you saying these things - teaching players is, in many ways, more satisfying than playing.
One of my students just left from a 2 hour lesson and he's already catching on to the Advanced TOI Shots.....the important thing is to FIRST develop a stoke that has "coil" in your shoulder/arm/hand so you can hit the cue ball precisely (your entire body should connect to the tip).....then the 'Touch of Inside' becomes more instinctive.
Each time I give a lesson I learn something, and today's been exceptional. I went over how to choke up on the cue and use TOI to create fine cuts (it's like "chipping" in golf) .... these come up all the time playing one-pocket and Efren's one of the best at "cutting and killing" the cue ball with inside english.
Play Well GreenFeltguy, and let me know if you ever have any questions concerning our game. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Thanks, CJ. I think I've figured out the cryptic message above. It is definitely mental, as you say. I started out by learning it physically and it morphed into a thought process. Even though I fought it consciously all the way, my subconscious showed me tonight, on the table, what it can do. I finally figured out that deflection is your friend and consistently predictable.
Now I just need to stop getting in the way and start running out. :wink:
Best,
Mike
move the cue ball off line, and do it in such a way that you can mentally connect
Yes, quite simply you're aligning what's {actually} happening with the cue ball to your subconscious in such a way that it's synchronised. You can't do that with trying to hit "center ball" like so many instructors parrot......you WANT to move the cue ball off line, and do it in such a way that you can mentally connect, and then control each shot.
Like I've said, the easiest shots to make with TOI is the "almost straight" in shots that you have to just slightly cut. So, naturally, you want to play ALL YOUR SHOTS as if they are exactly that......and you can do this by favoring the inside of the pocket and, using TOI, throw the object ball into the center (of the pocket). This way you are making the table do what you want, rather than doing what the table wants.
There's two different philosophies coinciding in my above examples, the object is to familiarize yourself with both to have the best over-all performance. 'The GAME is the Teacher'
Yes, quite simply you're aligning what's {actually} happening with the cue ball to your subconscious in such a way that it's synchronised. You can't do that with trying to hit "center ball" like so many instructors parrot......you WANT to move the cue ball off line, and do it in such a way that you can mentally connect, and then control each shot.
Like I've said, the easiest shots to make with TOI is the "almost straight" in shots that you have to just slightly cut. So, naturally, you want to play ALL YOUR SHOTS as if they are exactly that......and you can do this by favoring the inside of the pocket and, using TOI, throw the object ball into the center (of the pocket). This way you are making the table do what you want, rather than doing what the table wants.
There's two different philosophies coinciding in my above examples, the object is to familiarize yourself with both to have the best over-all performance. 'The GAME is the Teacher'
"could Luther Lassiter have given me the 8 Ball tonight?".
Dennis Hatch is a greater player than many on this forum "real eyes".
I used to gamble with him when he was around 15 and give him the 7 ball....it was extremely tough and I may have beat him once or overall we broke about even. He ended up playing a really high gear and yes, he uses TOI on certain shots like we all do. I took it to the extreme and figured out what made Luther Lassiter so great and I believe it was his use of TOI that separated him from the rest of the field.....this isn't just my opinion, Wade Crane and I have talked about it on more than one occasion. Wade also used to throw his shots in and it was the trademark of many of the older players that gambled a lot.
Wade used to tell me that Luther could have given me the "8 Ball" until one night I gave "Johnny Morrow" the 'Last 2, Break, and First Shot' and beat him for $7,000.....afterwards I ask Wade "could Luther Lassiter have given me the 8 Ball tonight?"....Wade smiled and said "no, kid, not tonight, he would have hand his hands full playing even".....that was one of the best compliments I've ever received from the legendary "Billy Johnson" aka Wade Crane.
Dennis Hatch is a greater player than many on this forum "real eyes".
I used to gamble with him when he was around 15 and give him the 7 ball....it was extremely tough and I may have beat him once or overall we broke about even. He ended up playing a really high gear and yes, he uses TOI on certain shots like we all do. I took it to the extreme and figured out what made Luther Lassiter so great and I believe it was his use of TOI that separated him from the rest of the field.....this isn't just my opinion, Wade Crane and I have talked about it on more than one occasion. Wade also used to throw his shots in and it was the trademark of many of the older players that gambled a lot.
Wade used to tell me that Luther could have given me the "8 Ball" until one night I gave "Johnny Morrow" the 'Last 2, Break, and First Shot' and beat him for $7,000.....afterwards I ask Wade "could Luther Lassiter have given me the 8 Ball tonight?"....Wade smiled and said "no, kid, not tonight, he would have hand his hands full playing even".....that was one of the best compliments I've ever received from the legendary "Billy Johnson" aka Wade Crane.
Thanks for your post CJ. I have been using the TOI for 4 months now and have gained confidence with it. I use it on a lot of shots, including straight in ones. I like the way the object ball reacts, and my make percentage has sky rocketed!! I used to run 50s maybe once a week but lately almost everyday I've been able to do it. I have seen other pros use it, but they don't speak about it much, and that includes Dennis Hatch. I saw him use it on a very straight in shot on the 9 ball in the Mosconi Cup, and it was the year you were the Captain.
It was ever so slight but with the camera angle I saw clearly he used TOI. I only wish I would have started using this 20 years ago, but at least I'm doing it now
When I google search CJ, I should see the phrase "real eyes" and "annoying as fvck" as relevant results. Who can make this happen ASAP?
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Don't worry, we'll handle that asap.......here's the link we found after the google search
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Cheese & rice your taking over the internet.... I didn't REAL EYE'S you were that well known.:grin:
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Exactly the professional way to handle the naysayers, CJ. Let your body of work speak for itself. Bravo.
CJ, would you ever consider doing a YouTube video or even a second TOI DVD, where you take us through a variety of shots where it seems you would need to spin out to get position, but in reality you could do the same with TOI and the three part pocket system.
I'm on my third week with TOI, and I'm just starting to reprogram my mind around shot selection, where before I would outside spin to get position, but can do the same with TOI.
Maybe a top five shots you have seen people attempt to spin there way into position, but you could TOI it an easier path? I always find it easier to learn by watching an example and then replicating it continuously until it's burned into my mind.
I'm on my third week with TOI, and I'm just starting to reprogram my mind around shot selection, where before I would outside spin to get position, but can do the same with TOI.
Maybe a top five shots you have seen people attempt to spin there way into position, but you could TOI it an easier path? I always find it easier to learn by watching an example and then replicating it continuously until it's burned into my mind.
TOI - How I ran 29 Balls in a row in ONE POCKET - You Tube Videos
Sure, at some point I'll come out with a "Part II" edition of the 'Touch of Inside' in teaching so many players I've developed a fine tuned way of communicating further TOI instuctional videos.
Here's some TOI videos I currently have on You Tube that does what you're asking:
TOI - How I ran 29 Balls in a row in ONE POCKET
TOI - Beating the Ghost playing 15 Ball Rotation
Banking with TOI
Sure, at some point I'll come out with a "Part II" edition of the 'Touch of Inside' in teaching so many players I've developed a fine tuned way of communicating further TOI instuctional videos.
Here's some TOI videos I currently have on You Tube that does what you're asking:
TOI - How I ran 29 Balls in a row in ONE POCKET
TOI - Beating the Ghost playing 15 Ball Rotation
Banking with TOI
Correction, that's a Google Search......we don't run ads except on AZBILLIARDS
Correction, that's a Google Search......we don't run ads and spamming isn't possible on Google....or let's just say it's improbably, they'll catch it and correct it immediately.
This is free videos and information for pool enthusiasts all done on our "dollar".
We will be sending out more free videos in the next couple of days to those interested.
Correction, that's a Google Search......we don't run ads and spamming isn't possible on Google....or let's just say it's improbably, they'll catch it and correct it immediately.
This is free videos and information for pool enthusiasts all done on our "dollar".
We will be sending out more free videos in the next couple of days to those interested.
If you ever need to ask questions without getting hassled you can
The "dislikers" were all riled up today weren't they? It goes in phases it seems.
If you ever need to ask questions without getting hassled you can at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
Aloha Everyone, and Happy Memorial Day
The "dislikers" were all riled up today weren't they? It goes in phases it seems.
If you ever need to ask questions without getting hassled you can at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
Aloha Everyone, and Happy Memorial Day
I haven't put a lot of time into the TIPS banking system because I've been doing okay with a couple of other systems. In fact, one system I put out on this forum ended up on a popular DVD a couple of months later (whose name I will not mention). 
I bought the PPV and started working with it a little bit. It relies on deflection and simple alignments that are really easy to get used to using. I incorporated it into a few games of 9 ball and easily pocketed a few banks. It is solid and no hocus pocus.
If you understand the simple pivot, tough banks get a lot easier. It gets you very close to the shot line and with practice, I know I'll be picking up some speed in my bank and safety game.
Best,
Mike
I bought the PPV and started working with it a little bit. It relies on deflection and simple alignments that are really easy to get used to using. I incorporated it into a few games of 9 ball and easily pocketed a few banks. It is solid and no hocus pocus.
If you understand the simple pivot, tough banks get a lot easier. It gets you very close to the shot line and with practice, I know I'll be picking up some speed in my bank and safety game.
Best,
Mike
This video is my favorite in several ways
I believe you'd enjoy the TIPS Banking System because I went to great efforts to show how the TIP connects to all the diamonds on a pool table.....and naturally to all the angles used to make one, two, and three rail banks.
Let me know if you want one and I'll drop it in the mail tomorrow bud, I'd like to see what you think and get some feedback. This video is my favorite in several ways, it certainly took the most work to produce.....there's 43 chapters.
I believe you'd enjoy the TIPS Banking System because I went to great efforts to show how the TIP connects to all the diamonds on a pool table.....and naturally to all the angles used to make one, two, and three rail banks.
Let me know if you want one and I'll drop it in the mail tomorrow bud, I'd like to see what you think and get some feedback. This video is my favorite in several ways, it certainly took the most work to produce.....there's 43 chapters.
I haven't put a lot of time into the TIPS banking system because I've been doing okay with a couple of other systems. In fact, one system I put out on this forum ended up on a popular DVD a couple of months later (whose name I will not mention).
I bought the PPV and started working with it a little bit. It relies on deflection and simple alignments that are really easy to get used to using. I incorporated it into a few games of 9 ball and easily pocketed a few banks. It is solid and no hocus pocus.
If you understand the simple pivot, tough banks get a lot easier. It gets you very close to the shot line and with practice, I know I'll be picking up some speed in my bank and safety game.
Best,
Mike