Anyone know what a "socialist communist anarchy" is? Because I am confused on that one.
Respect, Courage, and Commitment!
ARAMITH BALLS: "That's how I roll!"
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Anyone know what a "socialist communist anarchy" is? Because I am confused on that one.
Respect, Courage, and Commitment!
Especially when one of the words is a complete contradiction to the other too.
Ha ha ha! Aw, give SJD a little slack, folks. Afterall, he's reaching f-a-r beyond his education -- at words with more than six letters -- and gluing them together in gravy-train fashion to sound edumacated.
-Sean
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If you ever owned a set of Raschig balls you would know how the best set ever plays. No skids. Pure hit. Better than anything Aramith ever made. O ther than the slicker finish on Cyclops they play equivalent to Aramith.
Ha ha ha! Aw, give SJD a little slack, folks. Afterall, he's reaching f-a-r beyond his education -- at words with more than six letters -- and gluing them together in gravy-train fashion to sound edumacated.
-Sean
I know the exact definition of every word !..It may SOUND like a contradiction, but thats exactly what the present administration is trying to create, here at home !...I'm sure you guy's voted for Odumbo,..TWICE !!!
SJD <--Short on edumacation, but way smarter than ANY 'Lib-tard' on this forum !:sorry:
PS..I am definitely smarter than a "Traveling APA Roadie", and a $3 "New Yawk-14.1 player" !..
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You seem mentally unstable! Can we please get back to discussing the original topic?
I`m sure there is conspiracy type forums out there you can participate in.
I agree -- how in the heck did politics enter this discussion? And especially taking guesses at what one's political preference is. I guess that's what the defeated do when backed into a corner -- pull out the politics card.
Lib-tard? A swing and a miss, SJD. Voted for Odumma twice? Another swing and a miss. Try again, SJD.
-Sean
Cyclop balls vs Aramith balls
I just finishing watching the China Open on streaming. The tournament used Cyclop TV balls Skittles colored...(and also used a Magic Ball Rack). This tournament is a BIG one and the best 64 men and 48 women came from around the world to play in it. There IS a reason the Cyclops balls were used and it's not because they are 30% less expensive that the Aramith Tournament balls! They are simply better made balls. IMO
QUOTE=oneballeddie;4760849]I think this discussion/debate kind of misses the whole point: the Cyclops balls are slicker and stay cleaner longer. They are also about 40% cheaper and have proven they are acceptable for national tournament play at both Derby and BCA.
I'm not saying they play better. They definitely play differently. Bank pool is a different game; because they're slicker certain banks, like the collision-induced reversals, don't even exist with these slick balls. Then again I've never heard of one skidding on contact either. On the other hand even with all the claimed technical deficiencies I think they play as good or better than other balls.
So the real question is what is Aramith's response to balls that stay cleaner longer?[/QUOTE]
I just finishing watching the China Open on streaming. The tournament used Cyclop TV balls Skittles colored...(and also used a Magic Ball Rack). This tournament is a BIG one and the best 64 men and 48 women came from around the world to play in it. There IS a reason the Cyclops balls were used and it's not because they are 30% less expensive that the Aramith Tournament balls! They are simply better made balls. IMO
QUOTE=oneballeddie;4760849]I think this discussion/debate kind of misses the whole point: the Cyclops balls are slicker and stay cleaner longer. They are also about 40% cheaper and have proven they are acceptable for national tournament play at both Derby and BCA.
I'm not saying they play better. They definitely play differently. Bank pool is a different game; because they're slicker certain banks, like the collision-induced reversals, don't even exist with these slick balls. Then again I've never heard of one skidding on contact either. On the other hand even with all the claimed technical deficiencies I think they play as good or better than other balls.
So the real question is what is Aramith's response to balls that stay cleaner longer?[/QUOTE]
They are also made in China, just might have something to do with it.
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WayneNance has a few sets of balls and a few years of knowledge under his belt. He's one of only a few I've ever seen always bring a set into the hall. :thumbup: I want to break into his trunk.
Jt1, question... Were those ball sets new or used?
Granted, the balls are durable it would take a while for a set weight to become significantly altered from play and polish, but when you're measuring 10ths of a gram, I'm guessing that might show after a few cleanings.
Granted, the balls are durable it would take a while for a set weight to become significantly altered from play and polish, but when you're measuring 10ths of a gram, I'm guessing that might show after a few cleanings.
That's amazing weights....for years it's been written how pool balls shrink over time and play and the Centennial Balls after almost fifty (50) years are very close.
Remember the balls can deviate by as much as 14 grams within the set and still be legal......not saying that's a good rule & it seems dumb to me....but 1/2 ounce
is a lot of " sanctioned" weight variation and so after 50 years, the Centennial balls' specifications look amazingly good then by any standard.......even Raschig's.
Let's see how the one eyed set holds up after even just a couple of decades of play........we already read about the great cue ball in the set.......and doesn't matter
if a 100 sets or 300 sets are used in a tournament held in downtown Peking .....it hardly qualifies as a endorsement but what the heck, that tournament director in
China probably got a better price from Diamond than the recent Az Group bulk buy for $150/set that's been discussed & even gotten some Azers bashed on the Forum .
Matt B.
Remember the balls can deviate by as much as 14 grams within the set and still be legal......not saying that's a good rule & it seems dumb to me....but 1/2 ounce
is a lot of " sanctioned" weight variation and so after 50 years, the Centennial balls' specifications look amazingly good then by any standard.......even Raschig's.
Let's see how the one eyed set holds up after even just a couple of decades of play........we already read about the great cue ball in the set.......and doesn't matter
if a 100 sets or 300 sets are used in a tournament held in downtown Peking .....it hardly qualifies as a endorsement but what the heck, that tournament director in
China probably got a better price from Diamond than the recent Az Group bulk buy for $150/set that's been discussed & even gotten some Azers bashed on the Forum .
Matt B.
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Sorry Sean, I thought this exciting, fascinating thread on "weighing pool balls" needed something to liven it up a
little bit !...It was becoming as boring as one of those, "What is your favorite chalk" threads. (of which there are at least one a week)..Talk about 'mental instability' here on AZB !
As our self appointed watchdog, (for 'staying on topic') maybe I should have joined in on one of YOUR thrilling, 'non-libtard' threads. You obviously could have used some help on this exciting subject ! :boring2: :boring2: (very few replies ?)
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=364871
And you forgot to jump on my "#1 fan", for going off topic and drawing up 'pool room designs' ???
SJD
PS..However, I must admit, I'd rather listen to bad 'rap' music, than watch your band of APA "roadies" butcher an 8ball game..or worse yet, sweat a boring 14.1 game..Even Schmidt vs. Harriman, couldn't keep me awake !
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So i just put my Aramith Torunament set on the scale.
My scale is just a regular digital kitchen scale, so It`s not super accurate, but here is the results:
1. 168g
2. 169g
3. 168g
4. 168g
5.168g
6. 168g
7. 167g
8. 169g
9. 168g
10. 168g
11. 168g
12. 168g
13.168g
14.168g
15. 167g
CB. 167g
If i had a more accurate scale, I think there would be more differences, what i do find fascinating is that the 7 and 15 (same colour) both weights a gram less that all the other balls.
I`ve never played with the Cyclop, so I can`t comment on them except from that they do look (in pictures..) a lot glossier than Aramith, almost as if they where made of glass.
When it comes to the Aramith balls I like the Super Aramith Pro set best, they seem livlier than the Tournament balls.
For looks nothing beats the Brunswick Centennials - That`s the set I`m getting when i get a pool room.
My scale is just a regular digital kitchen scale, so It`s not super accurate, but here is the results:
1. 168g
2. 169g
3. 168g
4. 168g
5.168g
6. 168g
7. 167g
8. 169g
9. 168g
10. 168g
11. 168g
12. 168g
13.168g
14.168g
15. 167g
CB. 167g
If i had a more accurate scale, I think there would be more differences, what i do find fascinating is that the 7 and 15 (same colour) both weights a gram less that all the other balls.
I`ve never played with the Cyclop, so I can`t comment on them except from that they do look (in pictures..) a lot glossier than Aramith, almost as if they where made of glass.
When it comes to the Aramith balls I like the Super Aramith Pro set best, they seem livlier than the Tournament balls.
For looks nothing beats the Brunswick Centennials - That`s the set I`m getting when i get a pool room.
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Kim, I can relate to 'livliness' as that is visual..But the accuracy of your scale, should not make one iota of difference at all..I would just ask, if you (or any of the other 'ball weigher's) actually believe that a difference of a few grams or even ounces..can be detected by ANY human being, using a piece of wood, (stiff, limber ?) with a leather tip (soft, hard ?) when striking a cue ball ?
It is only AFTER contact with an object ball, that you may have the slightest clue, as to 'light or heavy' !..Not trying to be rude, as some may appreciate all your efforts.. But this is why I feel, trying to determine the exact weight of pool balls, is an exercise in futility.. Makes no difference (within reason) if they are a $350 set, or a $50 set !
Accomplished, knowledgable A+ players, will always find what works best..REAL FAST !..It is not rocket science, to figure out if the cue ball reacts like a ping-pong ball, or a bowling ball !..Object balls will always vary, even within the same 'brand new' set. (and how many of those will you find in a pool room ?)..This is the best information I can offer, after 65 years of experience !..I've been wrong on a lot of things, chuggin' through life in a pool room.. But trust me, this ain't one of 'em !
SJD
PS..This is why you will observe the top players, hitting most shots with a somewhat firm type of 'stun' stroke ..This not only helps to eliminate 'roll-off', but also allows for variance in ball weight discrepencies..Helpful hint; watch Buddy Hall go about running the table !
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Kim, I can relate to 'livliness' as that is visual..But the accuracy of your scale, should not make one iota of difference at all..I would just ask, if you (or any of the other 'ball weigher's) actually believe that a difference of a few grams or even ounces..can be detected by ANY human being, using a piece of wood, (stiff, limber ?) with a leather tip (soft, hard ?) when striking a cue ball ?
It is only AFTER contact with an object ball, that you may have the slightest clue, as to 'light or heavy' !..Not trying to be rude, as some may appreciate all your efforts.. But this is why I feel, trying to determine the exact weight of pool balls, is an exercise in futility.. Makes no difference (within reason) if they are a $350 set, or a $50 set !
Accomplished, knowledgable A+ players, will always find what works best..REAL FAST !..It is not rocket science, to figure out if the cue ball reacts like a ping-pong ball, or a bowling ball !..Object balls will always vary, even within the same 'brand new' set. (and how many of those will you find in a pool room ?)..This is the best information I can offer, after 65 years of experience !..I've been wrong on a lot of things, chuggin' through life in a pool room.. But trust me, this ain't one of 'em !
SJD
I pretty much agree with every thing you are saying here.
Pool is a fickle sport with so many factors constantly changing.
The goal should at all times be to minimize the factors that can change, so balls of consistent weight is a good starting point.
I don`t really think 1 gram +/- really makes a difference, but to be on the safe side, lets keep the tolerances as close as we can on all the things we can controll.
