Mizerak + Mosconi: Dominant left eye directly over shotline
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Miz is deffinitely left eyed with ocular vision........
Willie might not be.
You can see that the Miz appears to actually have the cue outside of the left eye. Scott Frost is the same. These guys aim with only one eye. They can actually close the other eye when down on a shot and it will look exactly the same.
About 1% to 5% of all players have ocular vision. They aim just like looking through a telescope.
The rest of us wrestle with one eye being dominant but having the other eye trying to work as the dominant eye on many shots. Especially when you cut balls the way of the non dominant eye.
I understand this totally and can help any player play at a higher level in a real quick hurry. the first year I taught this I was still learning but after about 5 years I pretty much have it right.
Willie does not have ocular vision. his head is tilted a little to the right. If you tilt the table with the left side going up you would see where the eyes really are on the balls.
Willie does not have ocular vision.
John Morra has ocular vision and it is clear to see because his head is not tilted at all.
Unless a player or teacher has worked with these different types of players allot they might not even understand the difference.
If a person that has ocular vision and they try to move the cue towards the middle like the rest of us it actually hurts their eyes. Even getting headaches and it doesn't take long. Their eyes are just wired to the brain that way.
They other 95% are just wired the other way.
A golfer that has ocular vision needs to have that eye right in line with the ball or it will look cockeyed.
The other 95% are just slightly to the right or left and the amount is determined by the strength of the dominant eye.
Players with ocular vision can actually aim better naturally than others.
It might be true with golfers also but I don't know because I haven't worked with thousands of golfers like I have pool players.
Willie might not be.
You can see that the Miz appears to actually have the cue outside of the left eye. Scott Frost is the same. These guys aim with only one eye. They can actually close the other eye when down on a shot and it will look exactly the same.
About 1% to 5% of all players have ocular vision. They aim just like looking through a telescope.
The rest of us wrestle with one eye being dominant but having the other eye trying to work as the dominant eye on many shots. Especially when you cut balls the way of the non dominant eye.
I understand this totally and can help any player play at a higher level in a real quick hurry. the first year I taught this I was still learning but after about 5 years I pretty much have it right.
Willie does not have ocular vision. his head is tilted a little to the right. If you tilt the table with the left side going up you would see where the eyes really are on the balls.
Willie does not have ocular vision.
John Morra has ocular vision and it is clear to see because his head is not tilted at all.
Unless a player or teacher has worked with these different types of players allot they might not even understand the difference.
If a person that has ocular vision and they try to move the cue towards the middle like the rest of us it actually hurts their eyes. Even getting headaches and it doesn't take long. Their eyes are just wired to the brain that way.
They other 95% are just wired the other way.
A golfer that has ocular vision needs to have that eye right in line with the ball or it will look cockeyed.
The other 95% are just slightly to the right or left and the amount is determined by the strength of the dominant eye.
Players with ocular vision can actually aim better naturally than others.
It might be true with golfers also but I don't know because I haven't worked with thousands of golfers like I have pool players.
Dominance and Parallax really go hand in hand... IF your eyes are young and work perfectly you can pretty much put the cue anywhere you wish and get a good shot picture..
This issue is we don't stay young and more often than not we do not have perfect parallax so the brain is going to get fed some bogus information if you don't establish and maintain dominance from the point you start to aim until the point you are down and stroking the shot.....
Dominance is not about the eye having to be over the cue for most of us.. It is for me and a few others. I have zero parallax aside from natural overlap of vision fields so my eyes cannot work together to get the fovea of each eye on the same target.... I am one of the players that HAS to have the cue under their eye... I can swap eyes but I cannot have the cue anywhere but directly under one of them.....
For those who do have dominant eyes several theories exist on what makes an eye dominant... One of which is the alignment of the 2 eyes.... if they are misaligned, which is more common than you realize(if you get eyestrain it's likely you too) your brain will make the straighter eye the dominant one... Which means you will likely favor the dominant side and not be center chin to get your optimum view...
If you are one of the lucky ones playing under center chin... Just realize as you age dominance may end up mattering... You really want to keep sticking the cue there because that's how you have always done it and pound balls into the rail or do you want to under stand how to find the dominant position even if it for now happens to be centered.... Gene has some tricks to find it and maintain it even when it moves on you.... It's worth the time to take the phone lesson or mini lesson regardless of the blessing you have at the moment... The old saying is the eyes are the first thing to go... Wonder why they say that????
Chris
This issue is we don't stay young and more often than not we do not have perfect parallax so the brain is going to get fed some bogus information if you don't establish and maintain dominance from the point you start to aim until the point you are down and stroking the shot.....
Dominance is not about the eye having to be over the cue for most of us.. It is for me and a few others. I have zero parallax aside from natural overlap of vision fields so my eyes cannot work together to get the fovea of each eye on the same target.... I am one of the players that HAS to have the cue under their eye... I can swap eyes but I cannot have the cue anywhere but directly under one of them.....
For those who do have dominant eyes several theories exist on what makes an eye dominant... One of which is the alignment of the 2 eyes.... if they are misaligned, which is more common than you realize(if you get eyestrain it's likely you too) your brain will make the straighter eye the dominant one... Which means you will likely favor the dominant side and not be center chin to get your optimum view...
If you are one of the lucky ones playing under center chin... Just realize as you age dominance may end up mattering... You really want to keep sticking the cue there because that's how you have always done it and pound balls into the rail or do you want to under stand how to find the dominant position even if it for now happens to be centered.... Gene has some tricks to find it and maintain it even when it moves on you.... It's worth the time to take the phone lesson or mini lesson regardless of the blessing you have at the moment... The old saying is the eyes are the first thing to go... Wonder why they say that????
Chris
I'm cross eye dominant, right handed and left eye dominant. I can't make a ball if I put the cue under my left eye. I have the cue centered between both eyes evenly. The only thing I do is have my head turned to the right slightly so my left eye moves closer to the cue ball. In fact, the cue rubs on the right side of my chin to allow it to be centered between eyes with the turn in my head.
I feel it makes no difference where you have your cue in relation to your dominant eye but rather have is somewhere where you can see things and perceive things clearly.
I feel it makes no difference where you have your cue in relation to your dominant eye but rather have is somewhere where you can see things and perceive things clearly.
i am same way. shoot same way. basically what 1 eye sees the other does. shots to the left for left eye and right to Right . still cue under the chin. its that simple. cue shoots the shot on the correct approach not the eye. eye is only for seeing of the line on the side shot lays. seams to me when we use stick under the eye many tend to tilt head which is not the correct picture.
True, the aiming and alignment should be done before you get all the way down, but what about when you are down? How do you know the cue is lined up through the actual centre of the cue ball? I've seen countless players have a perfectly straight stroke, but can't hit a ball without side because their eyes aren't in the correct position. I'm a cross-eyed player, I aim with my left eye but when down if I have the cue under my left eye what looks like centre ball actually isn't. Its a very tough subject to teach someone because you can't see what others see.
I see many guesses on here all the time..........
How do you tell the world that you have really figured out the secret of aiming.
No guessing, just know how to get there right away.
Once I get healed up I'm going back on the road and make some noise.
Looks like the squeaky wheel greases more people.
But they have to be willing to look....................
How do you tell the world that you have really figured out the secret of aiming.
No guessing, just know how to get there right away.
Once I get healed up I'm going back on the road and make some noise.
Looks like the squeaky wheel greases more people.
But they have to be willing to look....................
Being cross dominant is a about the same as a LOFT problem
In a clinic yesterday with koolkat9 and pinklady watching as part of the group lesson i done. Looked at the wall and made the balls, so does that make me left ear dominant.
If you all learn to sight and align correctly in the correct position then you will make more balls, 95% of players have a major flaw here and then are adjusting there aim when they are down instead of correctly back away from the table.. Now by you guys putting your dominant eye over or nearer to it see it more clearly, when if you aligned correctly you wouldn't have to do this.
Brain switched off to brain switched on is 220,000 times more powerful....
If you all learn to sight and align correctly in the correct position then you will make more balls, 95% of players have a major flaw here and then are adjusting there aim when they are down instead of correctly back away from the table.. Now by you guys putting your dominant eye over or nearer to it see it more clearly, when if you aligned correctly you wouldn't have to do this.
Brain switched off to brain switched on is 220,000 times more powerful....
Even the instructors can't agree and new players try to learn from here. I agree with Lee. If it really mattered it would have been taught years ago. Ask any top pro that will give you a truthful answer except Rodney and they will look at you funny and say..."WTF" are you talking about. Just line up correctly. Johnnyt
Snooker instructors have been teaching having the head and eyes in the correct place for tens of years. All the snooker coaching I've had has touched upon this subject. Its plain and simple...if you are aligned properly but the shot doesn't look right then you have your eyes in the incorrect position. If it looks like you are hitting centre cue ball and you apply half a tip of left hand side (given that your stroke is flawless) you have your eyes in the wrong position. I can't speak for others on the matter, but for me it makes a world of difference having my head and eyes in the position I do. Not for aiming, but for making sure I can see that I'm hitting where I intend.
I could be going out on a limb by saying the pros won't know what you are talking about because they don't know exactly what they are doing. They line up the same way every time with a picture which looks correct to them. They may have no clue where the cue is in relation to their eyes but it is in a consistent place.
Personally if I have the cue centered under my nose it doesn't look like the shaft is pointed at the center of the cue ball. It really is an optical illusion based on where my eyes are.
Willie does not have ocular vision. his head is tilted a little to the right. If you tilt the table with the left side going up you would see where the eyes really are on the balls.
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Just saw this and you're patently incorrect Gene.
Stevie Wonder could see that the photo clearly shows not only that Willie's left eye is over the shot line, but so much so, that it's even the far left side of the left eye which is directly over the shot line.
You can juggle or tilt the photo any way you want, but them's the facts. Any reader can simply align a business card (or anything with a straight side) with Willie's cue, move the straight edge up till it touches Willie's eye, and they'll clearly see what Willie is actually doing with regard to the positioning of his eye.
Arnaldo
OK, I give up.... what's a LOFT problem?
Arnaldo:
Good post. Additionally, Geno keeps using the term "ocular" vision, when... wait, isn't that what vision is in the first place? You use your eyeballs to see?
I'm thinking he keeps meaning to say monocular vision, which, mono meaning "one," implies the use of only one eye. This is as opposed to binocular vision, which uses two eyes.
Not a hard concept, but I guess this is just a case of Cliff Clavin trying to teach the science of the eyes.
-Sean
Cliff Clavin... I mean... Geno:
You might want to know that "ocular vision" IS using your eyes to see. You can't see, visually (as opposed to perceptively), with any other organ except for your eyes. The lack of "ocular vision" is total blindness.
I'm thinking you actually mean monocular vision for those that use only one eye, and binocular vision for those that use both eyes.
"Ocular vision" is like "handheld tennis racquet" (what else are you going to use to hold the racquet, your feet?). Some other examples of forehead-slapping redundancy:
- Rear-display brake lights
- Head-mounted helmet
- Handheld pencil
- Wet water
- Sound-sensitive microphone
- Light-emitting lightbulb
- "Immediate seating area" in those airline safety lectures (George Carlin responds, "Seat! Damn it, seat!").
- ...etc. -- hopefully you get the idea.
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Sean,
A bit off the dominant eye theme but within the tripartite photo assemblage, did you notice that Willie -- one of the greatest of all 14.1 players -- has a moderately *frontal* stance, the full snooker-like version of which you once mentioned as a major game-elevating factor for your own Straight Pool?
Arnaldo
A bit off the dominant eye theme but within the tripartite photo assemblage, did you notice that Willie -- one of the greatest of all 14.1 players -- has a moderately *frontal* stance, the full snooker-like version of which you once mentioned as a major game-elevating factor for your own Straight Pool?
Arnaldo
I believe it would be unwise to conclude that Mosconi was left eye dominant from a couple of shots from an instructional book. If you saw him shoot in person, or reviewed available footage, you would see that he shot, often with the cue centered right below his chin. Other times the cue was under his right eye.
So, for me, I think Willie really didn't care so much about where the shaft fell in relationship to his eyes.
Lou Figueroa