Keep up with it. Once i got as proficient with inside as i was with outside, my game pretty much doubled. It really comes down to patterns and being able to bust stuff out. Some shots call for inside english, and it would be ignorant to ignore it.
playing with inside is difficult
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Keep up with it. Once i got as proficient with inside as i was with outside, my game pretty much doubled. It really comes down to patterns and being able to bust stuff out. Some shots call for inside english, and it would be ignorant to ignore it.
This is actually exactly what Bob Jewett was saying about his friend earlier... It's also why I cinch balls with inside.......
Chris
SHD, I know you're reading this and curious about what happened tonight
I think we all agree that there is "something" to using inside and this is only partially true. Until you make the commitment to use it every time for at least 3 straight hours the "secret" of TOI will not reveal it's self.
Commitment.....is most players issue, and I do understand, however, until a player is willing to commit they are leaving 20-30% of their game "on the table". Using TOI I can beat the ghost playing rotation, and so can a few other players.....without it I can't hardly beat the 10 Ball ghost.....that's a big difference, maybe even more than 20-30% depending on how you decide to calculate it. 'The Game is the Teacher'
PS: SHD, I know you're reading this and curious about what happened tonight.
I won my 11th tournament in a row tonight at CK's Billiards on Skillman/635 in Dallas......out of the 11 tournaments I've used TOI on over 95% of my shots. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I think we all agree that there is "something" to using inside and this is only partially true. Until you make the commitment to use it every time for at least 3 straight hours the "secret" of TOI will not reveal it's self.
Commitment.....is most players issue, and I do understand, however, until a player is willing to commit they are leaving 20-30% of their game "on the table". Using TOI I can beat the ghost playing rotation, and so can a few other players.....without it I can't hardly beat the 10 Ball ghost.....that's a big difference, maybe even more than 20-30% depending on how you decide to calculate it. 'The Game is the Teacher'
PS: SHD, I know you're reading this and curious about what happened tonight.
I won my 11th tournament in a row tonight at CK's Billiards on Skillman/635 in Dallas......out of the 11 tournaments I've used TOI on over 95% of my shots. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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You have nothing to change in your aim when using inside or outside sidespin. The alignment is exactly the same as it is for a stun shot. The key is to position your cue tip correctly on the cue ball and pivot from there (2 different positions - one for low speed and another one for high speed). No need for visual alignment adjustment (aim thicker or thinner... Etc......). Object ball goes center pocket. No matter the cue, no matter the shaft. People who rely on their shaft for applying sidespin, they just don't know how sidespin is applied properly.
Francisco Bustamante is the Master of this system..........
Francisco Bustamante is the Master of this system..........
Must be a bugger to have to use one type of english to pot a ball and another type of english to gain the desired position, all in one shot. :grin:
LOL, No worries Victorl , pool supremacy will never come from pocketing balls, it comes from seeing accurate patterns and execution so you do not need to use fancy stuff to pocket balls. Every pro out there can pocket balls, but not every one can run balls. I was shocked how quickly Efren can pick patterns, i think without a doubt he is the fastest one in the world for picking up correct patterns in all pool games, Ronnie O is 1st in snooker.
That's why they say "stay in the center of the CB."
The center mixes the right and left...all in the same shot!
Why do you consider using inside any harder than using outside English.
Do you think it's harder to hit the top of the cue ball than the bottom, I
didn't think so.
Normally people struggle with one side of the ball, be it left side or right side. My weaker side would be the left side.
Just 1 example: Using inside will allow you to travel around the table easier with 2 or more rail kicks after contact with the object ball.
Ah, I just noticed this has been addressed in a few posts.
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TheThaiger
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I think that's probably a factor. The shot I'm thinking about specifically is using inside on long straightish shots in the middle of the table - like the cb is on the yellow spot and the ob is on the blue spot. Outside English is far easier and more natural on that shot than inside is, at least for me. Maybe its just a snooker thing. The throw alone is enough to make me not even try.
TheThaiger
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See post below yours for clarification. Inside when the ob is near the rail is easy and usually helps. Inside out in the open is where the pain begins.
On this specific shot, as a right-hander on a big table trying keep the object ball in play, playing two-rails to the outside and always keeping the white in play for a right handerr makes this naturally an outside english shot.
That could be to your point of being a snooker thing I suppose since going straight up and down the table with inside could have the white out of normal play (the rest comes into play, that is) once the white gets past a certain point.
In rotation games on a pool table, the smaller table gives more leeway for hold up inside shots and paths. The tighter traffic also dictates certain inside english paths that a larger table might not see as much.
Nevertheless, in on American pool on smaller tables, many players have the same difficulty of using inside. Mostly, because players still get caught up on throw and often don't realize their attempting to compensate for throw is exactly what's making inside english difficult. If you forget about throw, things get more manageable, IMO. And as I and others have pointed out, inside and outside can become equal, if inside is understood.
In straight pool, inside spin is used all the time to "hold" the cue ball as it comes off of the cushion; to change the rebound angle; etc.
It's also used on break shots, to change where on the table you want the cue ball to end up. For example, on some back-of-the-rack break shots, high inside is used on the cue ball to have the cue ball come around 3 cushions to the center of the table. I personally use it on the traditional side-of-the-rack break shot (low inside), where, after potting the break ball, contacting the rack, and then contacting the side cushion, the cue ball spins back out to the center of the table.
It's definitely non-intuitive to someone that is accustomed to "helping spin" (outside) to pot balls and can be a head-scratcher. But a little practice really helps, and you find places to use it to simplify the path of the cue ball (or even to create a path that wouldn't exist otherwise).
-Sean
It's also used on break shots, to change where on the table you want the cue ball to end up. For example, on some back-of-the-rack break shots, high inside is used on the cue ball to have the cue ball come around 3 cushions to the center of the table. I personally use it on the traditional side-of-the-rack break shot (low inside), where, after potting the break ball, contacting the rack, and then contacting the side cushion, the cue ball spins back out to the center of the table.
It's definitely non-intuitive to someone that is accustomed to "helping spin" (outside) to pot balls and can be a head-scratcher. But a little practice really helps, and you find places to use it to simplify the path of the cue ball (or even to create a path that wouldn't exist otherwise).
-Sean
Sometimes the shorter simpler route that avoids traffic requires inside English.
Inside is generally more difficult because its paired with something else, such as follow. In your example the shot is hard enough without confusing matters with side. I can only think you would use inside to send the CB around the table via a hard stun run through or force follow to get back to baulk. So either way you are hitting the shot hard which complicates matters with inside spin. But I'm with you, why anyone would choose to use it on all shots when it isn't needed for position is beyond me.