Time for it's own thread...

[Jaden]

This may die after 3 posts or it may turn into the next AZ 100 pager in debates; regardless, I think it deserves its' own thread.

Time to address the just go out there and do it people.

It's easy for those who play at a high level naturally or with tons of practice to just tell people to get out there and play and not think about it.

I'm trying to help the people who have tried that and have come up short with all the information I provide.

I'm about to make a statement about two types of people who tell people to just get out there and play and I'm not accusing anyone of being either so don't get butt hurt here and go on a rant ok???(Yeah like that's not gonna happen).


IME there are usually two types of people who tell people to just go out and play or use the HAMB method. Those who got to an acceptably high level naturally (in their minds, IMO the only acceptably high level is your personally highest achievable level and that WON'T happen with HAMB) and those who don't want others to get to their highest achievable level for personal reasons (either they want people to be able to take advantage of, or they want to feel better about themselves by bringing others down).

The second group of people in the two categories I listed will almost always also suggest getting out there and matching up, with them preferably...

Look it comes down to this. Some of us who give these suggestions and share this knowledge do so for a variety of reasons, one of those reasons and the reason I do, is because we love the game, we've been there and done that and through LOTS of trial and error and LOTS of practice we figured out the things we were doing wrong and are willing to share our experience at overcoming these problems so that others can use that to not have to take as long in overcoming those challenges as they run into them.

Will the same things that helped ME to overcome these difficulties help everyone>??? NO....

However, it gets really old having people attempt to stop the people it MIGHT help from learning and getting help.

I've got a piece of advice to all those who read this...

If someone tells you that there are no short cuts, they are RIGHT!!!!

NOTHING compares with diligent, focused, learn-ed practice.

If they tell you that you should play and learn solely by feel, they either don't want you to learn or they are the few that were naturally gifted and don't have a clue about the majority of players out there and their struggle to improve by even one or two balls.

I don't know if I was naturally gifted or not. I don't know if the few people that I've taught that achieved a high level were naturally gifted.

I do know that the knowledge that I've achieved and the things that I espouse about this game WORK....

You get a lot of clueless individuals spouting nonsense or hucksters out to just make a buck.

I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm just giving out information. The stuff I'm giving ain't an esoteric bunch of BS that requires you to have faith in me either.

Everything that I've said on here is easily demonstrable as working and you can find out for yourself fairly easily that it does work.

I truly wish I wasn't working on fifty different things right now and that I could finish putting everything together and get billiardskungfu.com up and running and start doing the live streamed instruction.

I came up with the idea for doing live streamed instruction when I thought about how many takes video instruction may have taken to get a demo down on video and I thought that it would be great if the person learning could see what REALLY works in real time and what doesn't.

I had the idea of having guest instructors come on to demonstrate anything that they might be willing to offer as well.

Guess the best part???? It will be free during the live broadcast.

I'll see what I can do about finishing up the site and getting all of the equipment put together so I can actually start doing it.

I wanted to be able to digitally diagram in real time for illustrating aiming angles, etc... and I purchased a lot of the stuff to be able to do that.

I need to buy at least one more camera so I can have an over the table angle for diagramming and I need to finish my projector so that I can do the diagramming in real time.

I'm really trying but with having to support a family and working on so many projects, (just started back up a project installing a 5MW solar farm again), it's difficult and that's not even bringing up getting my tips going and my music, etc...

I will get to everything eventually though so just bear with me.

Jaden
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[center pocket]

This may die after 3 posts or it may turn into the next AZ 100 pager in debates; regardless, I think it deserves its' own thread.

Time to address the just go out there and do it people.

It's easy for those who play at a high level naturally or with tons of practice to just tell people to get out there and play and not think about it.

I'm trying to help the people who have tried that and have come up short with all the information I provide.

I'm about to make a statement about two types of people who tell people to just get out there and play and I'm not accusing anyone of being either so don't get butt hurt here and go on a rant ok???(Yeah like that's not gonna happen).


IME there are usually two types of people who tell people to just go out and play or use the HAMB method. Those who got to an acceptably high level naturally (in their minds, IMO the only acceptably high level is your personally highest achievable level and that WON'T happen with HAMB) and those who don't want others to get to their highest achievable level for personal reasons (either they want people to be able to take advantage of, or they want to feel better about themselves by bringing others down).

The second group of people in the two categories I listed will almost always also suggest getting out there and matching up, with them preferably...

Look it comes down to this. Some of us who give these suggestions and share this knowledge do so for a variety of reasons, one of those reasons and the reason I do, is because we love the game, we've been there and done that and through LOTS of trial and error and LOTS of practice we figured out the things we were doing wrong and are willing to share our experience at overcoming these problems so that others can use that to not have to take as long in overcoming those challenges as they run into them.

Will the same things that helped ME to overcome these difficulties help everyone>??? NO....

However, it gets really old having people attempt to stop the people it MIGHT help from learning and getting help.

I've got a piece of advice to all those who read this...

If someone tells you that there are no short cuts, they are RIGHT!!!!

NOTHING compares with diligent, focused, learn-ed practice.

If they tell you that you should play and learn solely by feel, they either don't want you to learn or they are the few that were naturally gifted and don't have a clue about the majority of players out there and their struggle to improve by even one or two balls.

I don't know if I was naturally gifted or not. I don't know if the few people that I've taught that achieved a high level were naturally gifted.

I do know that the knowledge that I've achieved and the things that I espouse about this game WORK....

You get a lot of clueless individuals spouting nonsense or hucksters out to just make a buck.

I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm just giving out information. The stuff I'm giving ain't an esoteric bunch of BS that requires you to have faith in me either.

Everything that I've said on here is easily demonstrable as working and you can find out for yourself fairly easily that it does work.

I truly wish I wasn't working on fifty different things right now and that I could finish putting everything together and get billiardskungfu.com up and running and start doing the live streamed instruction.

I came up with the idea for doing live streamed instruction when I thought about how many takes video instruction may have taken to get a demo down on video and I thought that it would be great if the person learning could see what REALLY works in real time and what doesn't.

I had the idea of having guest instructors come on to demonstrate anything that they might be willing to offer as well.

Guess the best part???? It will be free during the live broadcast.

I'll see what I can do about finishing up the site and getting all of the equipment put together so I can actually start doing it.

I wanted to be able to digitally diagram in real time for illustrating aiming angles, etc... and I purchased a lot of the stuff to be able to do that.

I need to buy at least one more camera so I can have an over the table angle for diagramming and I need to finish my projector so that I can do the diagramming in real time.

I'm really trying but with having to support a family and working on so many projects, (just started back up a project installing a 5MW solar farm again), it's difficult and that's not even bringing up getting my tips going and my music, etc...

I will get to everything eventually though so just bear with me.

Jaden
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Good post, awesome idea about the live instruction. Maybe you can have pros as special guests

 

[Banks]

This may die after 3 posts or it may turn into the next AZ 100 pager in debates; regardless, I think it deserves its' own thread.

Time to address the just go out there and do it people.

It's easy for those who play at a high level naturally or with tons of practice to just tell people to get out there and play and not think about it.

I'm trying to help the people who have tried that and have come up short with all the information I provide.

I'm about to make a statement about two types of people who tell people to just get out there and play and I'm not accusing anyone of being either so don't get butt hurt here and go on a rant ok???(Yeah like that's not gonna happen).


IME there are usually two types of people who tell people to just go out and play or use the HAMB method. Those who got to an acceptably high level naturally (in their minds, IMO the only acceptably high level is your personally highest achievable level and that WON'T happen with HAMB) and those who don't want others to get to their highest achievable level for personal reasons (either they want people to be able to take advantage of, or they want to feel better about themselves by bringing others down).

I stopped reading at that point. There are two kinds of people that disagree with you and they're both wrong?

 

[Jaden]

Yep....

I stopped reading at that point. There are two kinds of people that disagree with you and they're both wrong?

EVERYONE BuT ME IS WRONG@!!!!!that's exactly what I said...:thud:

HMMMMM... I guess you didn't read the part about it being IMO!!!!!

Yeah I prefaced that part with IMO or IN MY OPINION...

So yeah In my opinion, anyone who thinks that it's sufficient to just go out and practice a bunch to achieve their best possible game is WRONG...

Also, when I say their best possible game, I'm not talking about achievable level. Many people will achieve their best possible level of play with practice. They won't necessarily achieve their best level of consistency etc though...

Jaden

p.s.. Let me also add, that NO ONE will achieve their best possible game without practice, a LOT of PRACTICE...

 

[Wileydog]

.......................

 

[TheThaiger]

This may die after 3 posts or it may turn into the next AZ 100 pager in debates; regardless, I think it deserves its' own thread.

Time to address the just go out there and do it people.

It's easy for those who play at a high level naturally or with tons of practice to just tell people to get out there and play and not think about it.

I'm trying to help the people who have tried that and have come up short with all the information I provide.

I'm about to make a statement about two types of people who tell people to just get out there and play and I'm not accusing anyone of being either so don't get butt hurt here and go on a rant ok???(Yeah like that's not gonna happen).


IME there are usually two types of people who tell people to just go out and play or use the HAMB method. Those who got to an acceptably high level naturally (in their minds, IMO the only acceptably high level is your personally highest achievable level and that WON'T happen with HAMB) and those who don't want others to get to their highest achievable level for personal reasons (either they want people to be able to take advantage of, or they want to feel better about themselves by bringing others down).

The second group of people in the two categories I listed will almost always also suggest getting out there and matching up, with them preferably...

Look it comes down to this. Some of us who give these suggestions and share this knowledge do so for a variety of reasons, one of those reasons and the reason I do, is because we love the game, we've been there and done that and through LOTS of trial and error and LOTS of practice we figured out the things we were doing wrong and are willing to share our experience at overcoming these problems so that others can use that to not have to take as long in overcoming those challenges as they run into them.

Will the same things that helped ME to overcome these difficulties help everyone>??? NO....

However, it gets really old having people attempt to stop the people it MIGHT help from learning and getting help.

I've got a piece of advice to all those who read this...

If someone tells you that there are no short cuts, they are RIGHT!!!!

NOTHING compares with diligent, focused, learn-ed practice.

If they tell you that you should play and learn solely by feel, they either don't want you to learn or they are the few that were naturally gifted and don't have a clue about the majority of players out there and their struggle to improve by even one or two balls.

I don't know if I was naturally gifted or not. I don't know if the few people that I've taught that achieved a high level were naturally gifted.

I do know that the knowledge that I've achieved and the things that I espouse about this game WORK....

You get a lot of clueless individuals spouting nonsense or hucksters out to just make a buck.

I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm just giving out information. The stuff I'm giving ain't an esoteric bunch of BS that requires you to have faith in me either.

Everything that I've said on here is easily demonstrable as working and you can find out for yourself fairly easily that it does work.

I truly wish I wasn't working on fifty different things right now and that I could finish putting everything together and get billiardskungfu.com up and running and start doing the live streamed instruction.

I came up with the idea for doing live streamed instruction when I thought about how many takes video instruction may have taken to get a demo down on video and I thought that it would be great if the person learning could see what REALLY works in real time and what doesn't.

I had the idea of having guest instructors come on to demonstrate anything that they might be willing to offer as well.

Guess the best part???? It will be free during the live broadcast.

I'll see what I can do about finishing up the site and getting all of the equipment put together so I can actually start doing it.

I wanted to be able to digitally diagram in real time for illustrating aiming angles, etc... and I purchased a lot of the stuff to be able to do that.

I need to buy at least one more camera so I can have an over the table angle for diagramming and I need to finish my projector so that I can do the diagramming in real time.

I'm really trying but with having to support a family and working on so many projects, (just started back up a project installing a 5MW solar farm again), it's difficult and that's not even bringing up getting my tips going and my music, etc...

I will get to everything eventually though so just bear with me.

Jaden
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Er, what?

...

 

[nobcitypool]

I agree with your post. I do think HAMB may work for people but why do that when you may be able to achieve a similar or higher level by hiting 250,000 balls? Or less? The vast majority of Professionals in other sports have coaches, instructors, trainers, etc. to help them achieve and maintain their high level of performance. It is foolish to ignore the benefits of this advice and when possible, individual instruction.

 

[Mr Nobody]

IMO It is beneficial to get experience by playing the best players you can find , it makes ya or breaks ya !!!!!!!! Not going to happen with a lesson or 2 . Go to the drive in window at Mickey D's and see if they take practice . Nope ... Practice is good before a tourney or match , but sooner or later you have to put on the heat in the fryin' pan to eat ...:wink::boring2:

 

[Jaden]

When I talk about practice....

IMO It is beneficial to get experience by playing the best players you can find , it makes ya or breaks ya !!!!!!!! Not going to happen with a lesson or 2 . Go to the drive in window at Mickey D's and see if they take practice . Nope ... Practice is good before a tourney or match , but sooner or later you have to put on the heat in the fryin' pan to eat ...:wink::boring2:

When I refer to practice, I'm talking about practicing what you'll be doing.

The unknown monsters practicing in their basement and coming out and dominating just isn't realistic.

You have to get the practice experience in tourneys if you want to play tourneys and playing for money if you want to be able to play for money etc....

Jaden

 

[DaveK]

How to learn to play pool well is very misunderstood. Jaden, you know you are on the correct path and I wish you success in your efforts.

My opinion : A reasonable approach for newbies would be to first read either Pleasures of Small Motions or Inner Game of Tennis in order to get a basic understanding of how we learn and how to practice. Second one should get a stroke coach or be diligent in using the methods in Play Great Pool or maybe one of the Byrne basic books to start (ya need a stroke to play well). Only then will the HAMB process be of significant value. If one practices poorly then one will play poorly, although it is sooooo easy for folks to be delusional about their own abilities. Next review things like The Pro Book or 99 Critical Shots to learn shots and tactics. The Capelle books might be next for stategic learning.

Dave <-- did this process out of order and as a result learning to play pool was more difficult

 

[sixpack]

Here is where I stand on the HAMB vs. aiming method debate:
I played at a pretty high level just by the HAMB method. Along the way I developed a couple of aiming systems that I used in practice but they were just to develop the automatic feel of where to hit the ball. I almost never relied on them in matches. In hindsight I probably should have.

Then I graduated college and started working. Still playing pretty good but eventually I stopped playing as much. Got married, etc... Then my potting suffered. I don't have time to practice enough to make it automatic but I have discovered that by using reliable aiming systems early in the session (first few games of a tournament) I can get my feel back much more quickly than just trying to find that automatic point. I really love a pivot method that I developed (made up ) after mantis showed me CTE that accounts for some of the things I didn't understand about it. Also developed pivot systems for where to aim using English that are not just BHE. I spent a lot of time thinking about where I intrinsically aimed to account for english when I was playing well and re-built that picture in my mind and quantified it into a pivot system. Works pretty well.

My point, Jaden, is that I am looking forward to what you come up with and wouldn't mind getting on the table with you one day to talk through some of this stuff. I think the interactive lessons is a great idea and might be able to help some if you need it.

 

[sixpack]

How to learn to play pool well is very misunderstood. Jaden, you know you are on the correct path and I wish you success in your efforts.

My opinion : A reasonable approach for newbies would be to first read either Pleasures of Small Motions or Inner Game of Tennis in order to get a basic understanding of how we learn and how to practice. Second one should get a stroke coach or be diligent in using the methods in Play Great Pool or maybe one of the Byrne basic books to start (ya need a stroke to play well). Only then will the HAMB process be of significant value. If one practices poorly then one will play poorly, although it is sooooo easy for folks to be delusional about their own abilities. Next review things like The Pro Book or 99 Critical Shots to learn shots and tactics. The Capelle books might be next for stategic learning.

Dave <-- did this process out of order and as a result learning to play pool was more difficult

Good video I found yesterday on 'Inner game of Tennis'. Definitely worth checking out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzR8x5MgvDw

 

[One Pocket John]

Good video I found yesterday on 'Inner game of Tennis'. Definitely worth checking out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzR8x5MgvDw

That was cool. Thanks

John

 

[One Pocket John]

This may die after 3 posts or it may turn into the next AZ 100 pager in debates; regardless, I think it deserves its' own thread.

Time to address the just go out there and do it people.

It's easy for those who play at a high level naturally or with tons of practice to just tell people to get out there and play and not think about it.

I'm trying to help the people who have tried that and have come up short with all the information I provide.

I'm about to make a statement about two types of people who tell people to just get out there and play and I'm not accusing anyone of being either so don't get butt hurt here and go on a rant ok???(Yeah like that's not gonna happen).


IME there are usually two types of people who tell people to just go out and play or use the HAMB method. Those who got to an acceptably high level naturally (in their minds, IMO the only acceptably high level is your personally highest achievable level and that WON'T happen with HAMB) and those who don't want others to get to their highest achievable level for personal reasons (either they want people to be able to take advantage of, or they want to feel better about themselves by bringing others down).

The second group of people in the two categories I listed will almost always also suggest getting out there and matching up, with them preferably...

Look it comes down to this. Some of us who give these suggestions and share this knowledge do so for a variety of reasons, one of those reasons and the reason I do, is because we love the game, we've been there and done that and through LOTS of trial and error and LOTS of practice we figured out the things we were doing wrong and are willing to share our experience at overcoming these problems so that others can use that to not have to take as long in overcoming those challenges as they run into them.

Will the same things that helped ME to overcome these difficulties help everyone>??? NO....

However, it gets really old having people attempt to stop the people it MIGHT help from learning and getting help.

I've got a piece of advice to all those who read this...

If someone tells you that there are no short cuts, they are RIGHT!!!!

NOTHING compares with diligent, focused, learn-ed practice.

If they tell you that you should play and learn solely by feel, they either don't want you to learn or they are the few that were naturally gifted and don't have a clue about the majority of players out there and their struggle to improve by even one or two balls.

I don't know if I was naturally gifted or not. I don't know if the few people that I've taught that achieved a high level were naturally gifted.

I do know that the knowledge that I've achieved and the things that I espouse about this game WORK....

You get a lot of clueless individuals spouting nonsense or hucksters out to just make a buck.

I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm just giving out information. The stuff I'm giving ain't an esoteric bunch of BS that requires you to have faith in me either.

Everything that I've said on here is easily demonstrable as working and you can find out for yourself fairly easily that it does work.

I truly wish I wasn't working on fifty different things right now and that I could finish putting everything together and get billiardskungfu.com up and running and start doing the live streamed instruction.

I came up with the idea for doing live streamed instruction when I thought about how many takes video instruction may have taken to get a demo down on video and I thought that it would be great if the person learning could see what REALLY works in real time and what doesn't.

I had the idea of having guest instructors come on to demonstrate anything that they might be willing to offer as well.

Guess the best part???? It will be free during the live broadcast.

I'll see what I can do about finishing up the site and getting all of the equipment put together so I can actually start doing it.

I wanted to be able to digitally diagram in real time for illustrating aiming angles, etc... and I purchased a lot of the stuff to be able to do that.

I need to buy at least one more camera so I can have an over the table angle for diagramming and I need to finish my projector so that I can do the diagramming in real time.

I'm really trying but with having to support a family and working on so many projects, (just started back up a project installing a 5MW solar farm again), it's difficult and that's not even bringing up getting my tips going and my music, etc...

I will get to everything eventually though so just bear with me.

Jaden
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Hey Jaden

I read all of your posts simply because this game is a never ending learning process and any help/advise from anyone is always taken to the table and practiced. Some advise is used and some isn't. But I do give it a fair shot.

I agree, you don't have to HAMB you only have to hit a few thousand the correct way.

I am one of those players that you speak of that practices in their basement for months on end without playing anyone. I just simply love the game.

Looking forward to your up and coming pocket billiards project. Should be fun.

Thanks

John

 

[Jaden]

There's nothing wrong with hitting balls in your basement...

:thumbup:

Hey Jaden

I read all of your posts simply because this game is a never ending learning process and any help/advise from anyone is always taken to the table and practiced. Some advise is used and some isn't. But I do give it a fair shot.

I agree, you don't have to HAMB you only have to hit a few thousand the correct way.

I am one of those players that you speak of that practices in their basement for months on end without playing anyone. I just simply love the game.

Looking forward to your up and coming pocket billiards project. Should be fun.

Thanks

John

I hope I didn't make you think the wrong thing with what I said about no unknown monsters, because that's not entirely true.

You can get to just as high a level hitting balls by yourself in your basement as anyone on the planet gambling 40K a set.

Level of play and level of competition are different though. I found that out myself, because I wouldn't match up and hardly ever competed and am now only starting to regularly and I found from experience that it really doesn't matter how well you hit them by yourself, if you can't have the same level of confidence in competition, you won't be able to play at THAT level against other players.

You need the experience competing in the situations that you might find yourself in......

OR, you need to have a method that allows you to keep the same mindset everytime you play.

That's one advantage I think that younger players have. They don't know better than to be confident.

You learn your limitations as you get older and sometimes that creates greater limitations than you naturally have because it creates a different mindset for different situations.

Jaden

 

[Jaden]

Exactly and I have a question for you...

Here is where I stand on the HAMB vs. aiming method debate:
I played at a pretty high level just by the HAMB method. Along the way I developed a couple of aiming systems that I used in practice but they were just to develop the automatic feel of where to hit the ball. I almost never relied on them in matches. In hindsight I probably should have.

Then I graduated college and started working. Still playing pretty good but eventually I stopped playing as much. Got married, etc... Then my potting suffered. I don't have time to practice enough to make it automatic but I have discovered that by using reliable aiming systems early in the session (first few games of a tournament) I can get my feel back much more quickly than just trying to find that automatic point. I really love a pivot method that I developed (made up ) after mantis showed me CTE that accounts for some of the things I didn't understand about it. Also developed pivot systems for where to aim using English that are not just BHE. I spent a lot of time thinking about where I intrinsically aimed to account for english when I was playing well and re-built that picture in my mind and quantified it into a pivot system. Works pretty well.

My point, Jaden, is that I am looking forward to what you come up with and wouldn't mind getting on the table with you one day to talk through some of this stuff. I think the interactive lessons is a great idea and might be able to help some if you need it.

Exactly, and don't you think that if someone was able to relate to you what you yourself have developed when working through things that it would've helped you to get where you are faster???

Everything that I know I learned and taught myself with the exception of BHE (as it was taught to me by Efren, without any mention of pivot point).

I was taught SOME minimal stuff by my father who was a road player in the 60's out of Louisville, but I didn't really pay much attention when he was trying to relay things to me. In retrospect, I wish I had.

I also wish that I had access growing up to the internet and all of the tools and connections with other players that we are given today.

Jaden

 

[Johnnyt]

When I first came on here 10 years ago I thought pool instruction was a scam. I had played at a pretty high level for many years, and it came very easy for me...always playing for money. After my stroke knocked me for a loop and a few years of rehab, I wanted to start playing again. When I saw that I couldn't even draw the CB 3' and missed more balls than a "D" player, I bought books, DVD's, watched videos, and came on here to ask questions. Nothing was the magic bullet, but I can honestly say I learned something to raise my game from just about all of them.

If I had to start over again I'd hook-up with a good instructor. AZB is a great place, but until you know who on here knows what their talking about, it's a crapshoot. In the mean time you can really hurt your game listening to the wrong people. Johnnyt

 

[Jaden]

absolutely...

When I first came on here 10 years ago I thought pool instruction was a scam. I had played at a pretty high level for many years, and it came very easy for me...always playing for money. After my stroke knocked me for a loop and a few years of rehab, I wanted to start playing again. When I saw that I couldn't even draw the CB 3' and missed more balls than a "D" player, I bought books, DVD's, watched videos, and came on here to ask questions. Nothing was the magic bullet, but I can honestly say I learned something to raise my game from just about all of them.

If I had to start over again I'd hook-up with a good instructor. AZB is a great place, but until you know who on here knows what their talking about, it's a crapshoot. In the mean time you can really hurt your game listening to the wrong people. Johnnyt

You are most assuredly correct here sir; however, the quickest way to hurt your potential the most is to listen to those who say don't listen to anyone...

Finding a reputable person you can trust to give you instruction is the best course... not easy to do unfortunately.

Jaden

 

[One Pocket John]

:thumbup:


I hope I didn't make you think the wrong thing with what I said about no unknown monsters, because that's not entirely true.

You can get to just as high a level hitting balls by yourself in your basement as anyone on the planet gambling 40K a set.

Level of play and level of competition are different though. I found that out myself, because I wouldn't match up and hardly ever competed and am now only starting to regularly and I found from experience that it really doesn't matter how well you hit them by yourself, if you can't have the same level of confidence in competition, you won't be able to play at THAT level against other players.

You need the experience competing in the situations that you might find yourself in......

OR, you need to have a method that allows you to keep the same mindset everytime you play.

That's one advantage I think that younger players have. They don't know better than to be confident.

You learn your limitations as you get older and sometimes that creates greater limitations than you naturally have because it creates a different mindset for different situations.

Jaden

I couldn't agree more, pulling the trigger at home is way different than pulling the trigger in the field.
I'm a one pocket player, at home I practice the short game playing all 15 balls into the corner pockets using 1/3 of the table. I also practice kicking and banking from different diamond locations on the table to hit an OB anywhere on the table.
Started playing back in '63 didn't take it real serious until '92. Got into a slump I couldn't get out of so quit for 10 years. Started back in '10 determined to be the best that I can be.
I'm making progress and hope to hit the field later on this year. Would I like to win, you bet, I love the game so either way I win. My main goal is to find out if my fundamentals break down in competition.

Thanks for responding and hope that you have some really thick skin because some on here can get pretty testy. Just say'in.

Oh yeah, I read one of your posts about a foamed lined (I'm thinking glove) device to use in your grip hand. Cool I understand the principle...........now to find some foam material.

John

 

[CJ Wiley]

Try to learn math by the WAMN way (writing a million numbers) Or try learning.......

Using the "HAMB" (hit a million balls) is poor advice for the most part and here's why:

It's like telling someone to learn how to play the piano by "hitting a million keys," or learning how to be a carpenter by "pounding a million nails".

Not one person (myself included) became a champion player without influence from mentors that played their game at an extremely high level. I've had 17 world class players that influenced me and many more that I picked up "a little here, and a little there". I was lucky to grow up around guys like "Jersey Red," "Eddie Taylor," Vernon Elliot," "Omaha John," "JR Weldon," "Matlock," Larry Hubbart," "Scorpion," Shannon D, "Captain Hook," "Lil David," "Lil Earl," "Country Calvin," "Big John," "Doug Smith," "Lizard," "BUGS," "Dalton Leong," "Rusty B.," "Billy Johnson" (Wade Crane), Roger Griffis, etc. etc.

Try to learn math by the WAMN method (writing a million numbers)

Or try learning how to spell the WAMW method (write a million words)

It does take a lot of practice to play a "world class speed" in pool, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, basketball, etc. - however, it takes a lot of "modeling" (copying) professional athletes to feed the mind the correct information to achieve someone's highest levels of performance. 'The Mental Game is the Teacher'