PSA: A point with a Re-Cut inside is not 2 points

Wow, I really dind't think this would become such a heated debate. I suppose it does come down to semantics really.

Please know I make no reference to the amount of time and extra work it takes to make a recut. I do think though it ought to be refereed to as one point with recuts.

It also appears that there are many top cue-makers that fall on both sides of the debate.

Eric (as well as some others whom I respect) chimed in and I have always appreciated his always highly informative post and value his opinion. So with that in mind, I still stick behind my original statement but will not bash someone for saying the oppoisite (even though they are wrong:thumbup:).
 
Agree

cbi1000 said:
OMG, you have no idea what you are talking out.

Chris Hightower is correct. It's about the work involved.

Cutting a point into a forearm and all the work involved in doing so is one point. When that point is complete and then you start the work to cut a 2nd point, whether or not it's into a preexisting point or into a fresh part of the forearm, it is indeed a second point. PERIOD.

I'd love to hear your conversation with a well known and respected cue maker arguing a price over a cue with recuts. They'd hang up on you in a second....

Next thing you will say a inlay within an inlay is only one inlay.....
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Several years ago at the SBE I was able to purchase a 6 point Blackboar. When I saw Tony Scianella, I told him I had just picked up one of his 6 pt. cues and took it out to show him. He looked at it and said " This is not a 6 pt. cue it is a 12 point cue. " He then explained there were 3 points in each tall ones. In my opinion you can not get a more qualified person then Tony Scianella.
 
I've always seen it like this:

Points are points and prongs are prongs ... Sometimes a point contains a prong and when it does you have a splice.

The point is the female negative space that will generally have been cut at a tapered angle lengthwise in the cue to receive either a mitered veneer stack or a prong.

Sometimes instead of using a veneer stack or a prong, a piece of wood or other material is cut to fit within the point.

The prong is the male positive material similar to fingers that will be placed within the point to attach two pieces of wood together, for example joining one piece with 4 prongs to another piece with 4 points.

That second piece might have additional points, but in my reference only 4 of those points have prongs in them.

When a prong is placed in a point it is considered a splice.

This is just my way of thinking about these things and definitely is not an expert opinion.

Cheers !


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Splices

To me. any point that isnt a full splice is inlay. No two ways around it. If you are recutting inlays, then they are still inlays. If you take a full splice, cut it, and do another full splice, I would call it an 8 pointer. If you inlay the points, and inlay another point inside, these are all inlay. They are called points, but much like floating points, they are not true spliced old school style points.

Where the confusion starts is the term point. If it is used in the design sense, overlay can be a point and inlay can be a point. If you are using a cnc to cut a groove and gluing a point in there, its inlay, right??? I am not talking about the work that goes into it, just calling it what it is.

Inlay into inlay into inlay could be considered 3 points, or it could be called one point with two other points inlaid into it or recut into it. It still is a four point design.

Take the Huebler US Open cue, with fractured veneers. Is this a 4 point 4 veneer, or 4 point with an insane amount of inlay along the points?

My definition is different than yours, which is different from the next guy. I hate calling floating points, points, they are inlay. To me a true point is a full splice point. The others are inlay that have been called one thing or another. This isn't a comment on the amount of work being done, just about what is considered a true point. I understand that the others take a while, and look incredible. I also agree that a cue maker can call it whatever they want. Although for me, I would never ever buy a cue that is 4 point with recuts if they were marketing it as an 8 point. To me, its a design thing, if it has 4 points, no matter whats inside of it, its still a 4 point design.


ALSO ERIC - IF THAT BLANK ISN'T SPOKEN FOR AND YOU ARE GOING TO COMPLETE IT, I WOULD GIVE YOU MY WIFE TO BE FIRST ON THAT LIST. SHES A CLASSIC, BUT STILL SOME MILES LEFT ON HER.
 
You can call them what you want, a 4 point with 4 recuts or 20 points, when all said and done you will still pay the price being charged for the work done if you want it bad enough.
 
Personally I prefer the classic looking four point four veneer cue. I do really like recut points also. So if a thread title in the WFS reads "15 point cue" than I may not open that thread. But if the thread read "6 point cue with recuts" it would generate more interest for me.

So I'm not seeing this as a debate on the work that each generate. I have, however, really enjoyed reading this thread and learning about the different processes. A big thank you to Eric for the awesome examples. For some, when a person reveals the tricks of the trade, it's as if the magic has been removed from the process. For me, it makes it that much more interesting and impressive. But then again I was always the kid looking behind the curtain at the magic show.

Ben
 
LuckyStroke said:
Personally I prefer the classic looking four point four veneer cue. I do really like recut points also. So if a thread title in the WFS reads "15 point cue" than I may not open that thread. But if the thread read "6 point cue with recuts" it would generate more interest for me.

So I'm not seeing this as a debate on the work that each generate. I have, however, really enjoyed reading this thread and learning about the different processes. A big thank you to Eric for the awesome examples. For some, when a person reveals the tricks of the trade, it's as if the magic has been removed from the process. For me, it makes it that much more interesting and impressive. But then again I was always the kid looking behind the curtain at the magic show.

Ben
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Yeah, Eric's posts and answers to our questions are incredibly informative and he knows his sh!t. Huge asset to az. Know if I could just get him to respond to my emails and make me a cue we would be in great shape. :grin-square:
 
prewarhero said:
Yeah, Eric's posts and answers to our questions are incredibly informative and he knows his sh!t. Huge asset to az. Know if I could just get him to respond to my emails and make me a cue we would be in great shape. :grin-square:
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Thank you for the kind words :o Sorry about the email situation. It gets spammed so heavy that I have a hard time sifting through the BS to find real emails. I don't check it as often as I should. Working on getting that fixed.
 
qbilder said:
Thank you for the kind words :o Sorry about the email situation. It gets spammed so heavy that I have a hard time sifting through the BS to find real emails. I don't check it as often as I should. Working on getting that fixed.
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No worries, email sent now. Thanks again Eric.
 
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