You won't get do-da that isn't *negotiated to our mutual satisfaction.* So if your position is that you will get what you want or you won't play, you can stop your yapping right now cause it ain't gonna happen.
Lou Figueroa
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You won't get do-da that isn't *negotiated to our mutual satisfaction.* So if your position is that you will get what you want or you won't play, you can stop your yapping right now cause it ain't gonna happen.
Lou Figueroa
Correct on both counts.
And, Dustin, you know that if there had been an offer I would have brought it up at dinner after the match with you and Mike.
Lou Figueroa
Lou;
Are you saying I am a liar (would like a direct response to this)?
you might have thought my asking was a "soft sell" but I asked and you said you needed a little time to think about it.
Had I known you and your backers would be vapor trails within 10 minutes, I probably would have done a more impressive cha-cha for you.
It went just like I explained, Lou - sorry it didn't break through the euphoria of your impressive win.
best,
brian kc
Brian, I have already apologized to you, purely on the basis of giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just on your say so, I am willing to go as far as saying you may have said something about playing again, though I don't recall it.
But it must have been so vague, or presented as a hypothetical, because you did not get my attention by making what I took to be a serious, credible proffer. If for one moment I had thought you were seriously talking about me playing John again, I would have taken action, or at the very minimum mentioned it and/or talked it over with my crew.
I don't remember it, I never mentioned it to Mike or Dustin, and it's coming up for the very first time four months after the match. You didn't even mention it when I wrote up my match report. All you would have had to say is, "John wants to go again" and you would have had action.
Lou Figueroa
So after all the insults about how Lou needs a backer, and all the chest pounding about how you bet your own......now you also welcome backers. I wonder what twist John will spin in order to justify this move.
I also wonder if Brian was really gonna bet even. Or more importantly, why? No offense, but did we watch the same match? Friend or not, I wouldn't be betting even up after a drilling like that.
Lou;
As previously stated, I don't wish to become mired down in the never ending Lou vs John controversy. not enough time for that.
If you *sincerely* apologized to me earlier for not understanding my asking if you wanted to roll it back was a genuine offer, that infers you feel may have missed my actual offer.
To then later say you agree with Dustin on both counts of what he said, one being there was no credible offer, then that tends to nullify the apology, right?
Can't have it both ways.
Either figure me for a liar or think maybe in all the commotion you may have missed an offer to roll it back.
best,
brian kc
no time now but I want to answer your question and will address it later.
best,
brian kc
Good grief. Here is my final statement on this -- if it doesn't satisfy you, tough.
I am willing to allow that you made some kind of offer, though I don't recall it. And in your mind, as a regular stake house, you undoubtably felt it I should have taken whatever you said seriously. But on my end, I couldn't possibly have taken it "seriously" or considered it "credible" or I'd have been happy to win your money too.
I don't know you, Brian, except that you go by an amusing name, Kickin' Chicken.
To me, at the match you were just another of dozens of nice guys I've met over the years from AZ. I had no way of knowing you were a serious money guy. I don't recall you looking for side action with Mike, though you must have known John had backed down on almost $20,000 in bets we came prepared to cover and yet not a "peep" out of the Chicken.
Even mid-match, when John and Mike exchanged woofs to side bet a $1,000 a game, or double the bet, nothing from the Chicken. And of course there was the little stunt you related about the bag of money you said you were there to deliver to John. I guess we all thought you were just a funny guy.
Lastly, if you were patiently waiting around to see if I was going to take your offer, why didn't you stop us, or shout something out, when you saw all three of us with our jackets on heading towards the door? It's a long walk from the Accu-Stats Arena in the back of Sandcastle to the front door. Certainly, with a serious and credible $10K offer on your mind, you could have at least called out, "So, no bet?"
Now, almost five months later, out of the blue, you want to make an issue out this, claiming you made a serious offer and I refused to play again?!
In spite of all that, I have apologized based purely on giving you the benefit of the doubt. That's as far as I'm willing to go. I got nothin' else for you.
Lou Figueroa
please allow me to clarify in no uncertain terms. the first i have heard anything about this was reading it here on the internet. period.
i mean you no disrespect, but if you tried to make a game, you did not try very hard. and for this revelation to come out of the woodwook at this time does not make sense.
Lou and Dustin;
Did you see me wanting to make an issue out of this?
I was feeing thrown into this thread. Wasn't my choice.
And since I was referenced, I told the truth.
And since you said you needed some time to think it over and also that you liked the idea of us all going to grab some dinner, hell, I thought we'd have a chance to make a game then.
As for your's, Mike's and Dustin's hasty departure from Sandcastle, I wasn't laser eyeballing you as you exited. I was hitting balls with Jamison waiting on word about dinner or rematches.
And that's about all I got for you.
No hard feelings and no big deal.
best,
brian kc
Top right. Every time.
Looks like I'm being dragged into the middle of this shit storm but I def don't want to spend all my time going back and forth and, so, I'll try and keep this simple and straight forward..
My staking players in games where there is a fair amount of money riding isn't a new hobby. I don't do it every weekend but I do it and people are aware of it.
I came to Sandcastle that night to enjoy the competition, it was kinda historic from an az perspective, right?
yes, I did come prepared to back JB if Lou won and wanted to flip it. It was in the bag I brought over to where I met you guys and did the ribbing.
After the match, some photos, and congrats, I came over and absolutely did ask if you wanted to roll it back and you absolutely said you would need a little time to think about it. No problem. Then we also talked about grabbing a bite to eat and I figured we might close it up over dinner. As I previously stated, you guys scrammed with the cash you had and, again, I don't blame you for that, being in unfamiliar territory, and all.
If you really don't recall my offer then you were probably still under the influence of your win and all the activity swirling around you.
Regarding why this has never come up since the match 4 months ago, I can only say from my end, this:
I saw no purpose to bring it up again since the offer was basically declined when you left and the next morning you were making your way back home and that was that...
and
I thought for sure JB was gonna do his match report just like you did and it, without a doubt, would have had included this.
@ Mike L. hi Mike, it was nice to meet you there. Yes, we did go up and discuss some biz ideas with Ed and there would have been no point in my asking you about flipping money then since your horse hadn't won yet. I waited til it was over, then asked Lou, it prob didn't sink in with all the commotion around him (I'm guessing).
I won't be interested to come to St. Louis but thanks for the invite.
best,
brian kc
You don't need to answer if you don't want to, but I'm curious: after that showing, why would you possibly want to back Barton for a further $10k?
John,
I was there with Eric and you absolutely started the whole thing. Do I agree with what Eric did by going over to you? No! He and I are friends and I told him that he needs to learn to take the high road with you.
But, for you to come here and act like you're the victim...puhleeze!
You know your history with Eric and any sane person, who wasn't LOOKING FOR a conflict would have never started barking at him in the first place. I blame you completely for it ever even getting off the ground.
Seriously, what did you think would happen by barking at a guy you know hates you and that you hate? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
IMO you were looking for one of two things. Either a way out of the match or to try and Eric kicked out before the match even started.
Banks
Banned
"The syndrome is named after the Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger. In 1944 he studied and described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, demonstrated limited empathy with their peers, and were physically clumsy."
Not sure if that's it, but it does fill in quite a few holes. I really don't think he understands the responses that he gets or simply how others receive his opinions.
....or option #3: The ability to say "I was rattled because of Eric Hu's threat. That's why I lost."
Barton is no idiot. He knew what he was doing. He baited Eric because he knew he'd have a built-in excuse should he lose. And when he DID lose, he sure as hell made use of that excuse.
I was gone because after you went up 2-0, JBnutCase went to Ed Liddawi and asked that Ed show me the door. JB gave the excuse that I was too distracting, sitting there. Thing is, I did nothing to distract or shark him. That ain't just my opinion...it's ON TAPE for the world to decide. JB has too many mental demons.
I still have teh vid. It's sitting on my camcorder (unless it got deleted?). It recrded JB going out of his way, to come over to where I was sitting, to tell me "You can put this o n the Internet...Fvck you, Eric".
Once again, I was sitting there quietly.
Eric
Not likely.
My son has Aspergers. While some of the traits you mention are in common, typically (or as close to typical as you can get w/Aspergers) those with it avoid social situations, certainly ones with lots of people, and unformiliar people.
Of course no two are exactly alike, and I'm no psychobabbler, but I think Aspergers isn't it.
LMAO! Pot, meet Kettle! Tim...You're the craziest "meathead who can't play" of them all!
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