14.1 not fair both players should be given a chance to run balls

naji said:
If player A runs 100 and out, player B should be given a ball in hand and attempt to run 100 and out not just practice racking & taking naps! if he fails then player A wins, if he made it, i'd have them play the match again! or maybe rotate every 50 points!
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14/1 is the hardest pool game IMHO to master, harder than 3 Cushion Billiard that normally is played to 50 Point. A great Three C player can run 14 maybe.

As in 14/1 if you have a strong player who can break run, and continue to break , and run the "B" Player as you called the person may never get a shot.

Best 14/1 run I ever had was like 39 balls practicing and in a game like 18. Mosconi was the best at 14/1 or Straight Pool depend on what you want to call the game.

He was the one who said 14/1 was the toughest game in his book Willie's Game.
 
sfleinen said:
... I'm just not traveling to Arlington VA, so there we go -- a match that won't happen. ...
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But, but, wait... You two could meet at the US Open in Norfolk. Neutral ground. We could get the match streamed.

Your friendly agent provocateur,
Bob

(Now that JB is retired for a while, we need more stirrage.)
 
Darren Appleton is so good we need to start changing all of the rules in all games of pool just because of him.

I watched him play an alternate break 8 ball match a few months ago. Every rack was won by a break and run even his opponents. He won the match because he lagged better and broke the first rack.

I suggest if you ever get to Darren's level of ability that you practice your lag... a lot.

PS. instead of discussing rule changes, shouldn't we be discussing how great Darren Appleton is becoming as a player. As far as I am concerned he is starting to pull ahead of the pack as far as being the best player in the WORLD.
 
Bob Jewett said:
But, but, wiat... You two could meet at the US Open in Norfolk. Neutral ground. We could get the match streamed.

Your friendly agent provocateur,
Bob

(Now that JB is retired for a while, we need more stirrage.)
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LOL!! You know, I never saw the connection before. You have the same initials as JB, just in reverse. ;)

-Sean
 
efirkey said:
PS. instead of discussing rule changes, shouldn't we be discussing how great Darren Appleton is becoming as a player. As far as I am concerned he is starting to pull ahead of the pack as far as being the best player in the WORLD.
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Didn't you know Shane just had an off day again in the finals? He is still by far the best player in the world. :rolleyes:
 
Don't underestimate the ability and willingness of players to "game" the new rules (possibly to the game's detriment, but also possible to the good):

If there's a 50-ball limit, I'm going to set up for a lock-up safe when I've made 49 balls; I'm not turning the table over to you with makable shot. I might even play safe sooner, depending on the layout and the safe-possibities.

I don't think the pros would like these rules; they like to play for big runs. I don't think it matters for amateurs since 50+ ball runs are unusual.
 
Bob Jewett said:
But, but, wait... You two could meet at the US Open in Norfolk. Neutral ground. We could get the match streamed.

Your friendly agent provocateur,
Bob

(Now that JB is retired for a while, we need more stirrage.)
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It has to be , either one pocket, both of us brake and try max run, or race to 3 14.1 100 points.. not the one lucky chance 14.1 streamer hater when your horse racks and never shoots!!!! Bob do you get a commission!!
 
naji said:
It has to be , either one pocket, both of us brake and try max run, or race to 3 14.1 100 points.. not the one lucky chance 14.1 streamer hater when your horse racks and never shoots!!!! Bob do you get a commission!!
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Who breaks the second and third games? Who breaks the first, for that matter? I know... play a race-to-3 to 50 points to decide who breaks the first game!
 
First 9 ball was made easier, then 8 ball, now someone wants to make Straight Pool easier. Next is One Pocket, I guess:(
 
krupa said:
Who breaks the second and third games? Who breaks the first, for that matter? I know... play a race-to-3 to 50 points to decide who breaks the first game!
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Krupa, are you on to something!! i am compromising here, they would not give me a break ball and run, so lag for first is ok, smarty!!
 
Inaction said:
If it is fair for Player B to have an opportunity to shoot again after Player A reaches 200, then it would not be fair for Player A to have to stop shooting when they get to 200 either. They should keep going until they miss or play safe. Then the bar would be set for Player B.
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Well said. Great point!
Inaction said:
Obama rule: When a player reaches a lead that is equal to half of the race, every other ball made will be counted for the opponent. Just to even things out a bit and spread the points around.
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Nice try. Wrong forum.
 
bdorman said:
We could play Two Pocket :sorry:
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Or, we could take the APA approach, and offset the skill difference by letting him have two target pockets and I play normally.

Afterall, "otherwise it isn't fair!"

:p
-Sean
 
150 and out is too rare to even worry about

now, if it happened often, I could see an adjustment....maybe, but the game is barely played anymore so these potential instances will in fact be less frequent not more
 
smashmouth said:
150 and out is too rare to even worry about

now, if it happened often, I could see an adjustment....maybe, but the game is barely played anymore so these potential instances will in fact be less frequent not more
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I will give you a scenario, you paid $20 to watch a stream because your favorite player is playing, stopped by 7/11 got a pack of beer sent the wife to the mall, and sat to enjoy the match, ops all of a sudden you horse is racking balls never got a chance to shoot, match is over they love each other and gone! Happy! maybe unhappy for sure!! It happened on live stream!
 
I will tell you the reason they should not change the rule

naji said:
Sorry Bob, my english is not that good, i did not get it! or i did!!

Look guys, i watched all pros practice 14.1 past week, there was no one practicing lag or break for that matter, or safety, i did see one practicing coin toss!! they put a break ball and have at it.
Straight pool is about how many balls you can run period end of sentence, you want safety game go play one pocket. I see no reason why not place a ball in middle of table with CB behind the line, each player attempt to run, if 1st player miss, 2nd player continue and regular 14.1 then, if 1st player ran 100, or 150 and out should be allowed to continue the run until miss (for a high run prize), 2nd player should attempt it too, if both ran 100 or 150 and out, repeat. Very simple

Unless 14.1 rules change i am not buying any stream to watch Efren or SVB sit on the side line just racking balls (for who ....or better leave opponents name out so not to get in trouble) & taking naps, you can forget it! what a waste! Imagine Earl Strickland get shutout oh boy! you will never hear the end of it, and how many hours he practice and rules, and........
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Straight Pool is not JUST about how many balls you can run period 'that is a broad brush or at the very least a poor generalization from your end. Not all of the top 14.1 players were present at this years event just the politically civilized "desirables". I read all posts and it is nice that your thinking outside the box to try and implement something that could be a positive change - never a bad idea. Here is why I respectfully disagree with your idea, there is a player (who's name I will not mention) that knows how to rack the balls in opening break of 14.1 in a way that I disperse too many balls every time I hit the rack. To win against this particular player I need to improve in two ares of my game when competing against him. Practice my lag and also figure out how to defend myself better against a poor rack. The one thing I do not understand is that every time I looked at the rack it appeared to me that all the balls were frozen - plus the rack was straight. Short races are more for exhibition and or tournament play - I prefer one on one and more lengthy races. In a round robin format the player who flies 12 hrs will get many attempt to lag correctly, I would try and not paint to broad of a brush on any discipline of pocket billiards, it sounds like one of your favorite players did not receive as many chances at the table as you would have hoped for.
 
naji said:
I will give you a scenario, you paid $20 to watch a stream because your favorite player is playing, stopped by 7/11 got a pack of beer sent the wife to the mall, and sat to enjoy the match, ops all of a sudden you horse is racking balls never got a chance to shoot, match is over they love each other and gone! Happy! maybe unhappy for sure!! It happened on live stream!
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I think most straight pool fans accept that as part of the game. Any 14.1 connoisseur isn't going begrudge big runs, regardless of the player, as that is part of what we are paying to see. In 2009 Oliver Ortmann in consecutive matches ran 100 and out, 100 and out and 150 and out. Maybe it wasn't fair for those players, but it's part of the magic of the game. Everyone is guaranteed one shot, and it's not a luck shot either. It's the same in snooker, if player A breaks off and player B knocks in a long red run 80-147 points, player A should have broken better.
 
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