which pin? 3/8x10, 5/16x14, radial or uniloc?

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I'm looking to get a cue butt that will accommodate both a Mezz WX900 and an OB 1 plus


both shafts are currently offered in 3/8x10, 5/16x14, radial and uni-loc?

I prefer a soft hit and maximum feedback and I'm thinking wood to wood 3/8x 10 however would appreciate all your input

thanks
 
smashmouth said:
I'm looking to get a cue butt that will accommodate both a Mezz WX900 and an OB 1 plus


both shafts are currently offered in 3/8x10, 5/16x14, radial and uni-loc?

I prefer a soft hit and maximum feedback and I'm thinking wood to wood 3/8x 10 however would appreciate all your input

thanks
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First of all you cannot get maximum feed back with a soft hit..... the two are mutually exclusive....

3/8x10 is pretty comon......., 5/16x14 and 18 are common but take longer to screw together and are not always installed true... (check some if you don;t believe it), radial pins are just a bastard size and there are 3 or 4 different thread pitches.....and uni-loc are expensive and can stick together.....

If you want a good hit with a relatively common pin.... get a 3/8X10 pin that is made from G10 material....

Kim
 
smashmouth said:
I'm looking to get a cue butt that will accommodate both a Mezz WX900 and an OB 1 plus


both shafts are currently offered in 3/8x10, 5/16x14, radial and uni-loc?

I prefer a soft hit and maximum feedback and I'm thinking wood to wood 3/8x 10 however would appreciate all your input

thanks
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i think the "conventional" beleif is that an ivory joint gives you the softest hit
im not sure thats true though if you did a "blind" test i dont think anyone could tell you what joint or pin was used in any particular cue
jmho
icbw
 
I've been playing with a 3/8x10 G10 joint pin for the past 6 months or so and it's about as good as it gets...

For me, at least.
 
Off topic but how much difference would there be between a stainless steel 3/8 10 screw and a g10? I'm thinking of getting the joint converted in my cue but want to know if it's worth it.
 
zpele said:
Off topic but how much difference would there be between a stainless steel 3/8 10 screw and a g10? I'm thinking of getting the joint converted in my cue but want to know if it's worth it.
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1 oz. of weight.
 
I'm not sure what pin you should order but if you order a 3/8 x 10 make sure it is a 3/8-10 MODIFIED. The modified version is superior to the regular version imo.

JoeyA
 
I prefer a radial pin. The theory behind a radial pin is maximum surface area contact between the pin and shaft. I can tell a difference between the feedback of radial pin and one in 3/8x10. One cue has a SS pin and my other playing cue is g10. I like them both. I think a soft hit with good feedback could be achieved with the right tip ferrule combo
 
For me, I prefer a 5/16 -18 or -14 tpi, with a pilot to keep the joint aligned, instead of relying on the thread fit for the alignment.I like the spigot on the handle, and the recess in the shaft side. Mainly due to the ease of maintenance.
In all circumstances, the pin still needs to be installed true to the run of the handle and shaft. The shaft thread is the same, needs to be concentric.
Live tooling is easier with the slightly larger thread forms,but not so easy with the radial thread form.
Neil
 
whammo57 said:
First of all you cannot get maximum feed back with a soft hit..... the two are mutually exclusive....

3/8x10 is pretty comon......., 5/16x14 and 18 are common but take longer to screw together and are not always installed true... (check some if you don;t believe it), radial pins are just a bastard size and there are 3 or 4 different thread pitches.....and uni-loc are expensive and can stick together.....

If you want a good hit with a relatively common pin.... get a 3/8X10 pin that is made from G10 material....

Kim
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How are you defining "feedback" exactly?
 
Feedback comes through the facing material of the joint. Not the pin.

The role of the pin is to keep the faces of the joint in tight contact. The pressure on the pin is on the "backside" of the threads. When you hit the cue ball, the hit is communicated to the butt through the facing planes of the joint, not the pin.

I can't prove it, and I will offend some people, but I doubt anyone could consistently discern the pin that in inside a joint in a blind test.
 
In my opinion the pin does not mater, what maters is the kind of surfaces that the pin holds together in tension.
 
hey guys
this is a fun thread
BUT
its really the indian not the arrow.....:(
sorry to pop your cherry
icbw
 
bbb said:
hey guys
this is a fun thread
BUT
its really the indian not the arrow.....:(
sorry to pop your cherry
icbw
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Yep. Yep. Yep.
However, there can be reasons for marginally preferring some pins over others.

But the phrase you are looking for is "burst your bubble."
My cherry popped a long time ago. :eek:
 
G10

I always told people that the pin's job was done as soon as you tighten the shaft and the butt together.............

Well I took in a cue from a local player that had a SS 3/8-10 pin.... I shot a few racks and then I changed the pin to a G10 3/8-10 pin............

Then I shot a few more racks................ anyone that says there is not a difference has never tried this.........

There is a great difference in that you can feel the cue strike the cue ball more sharply in the palm of your hand........

Kim
 
bbb said:
hey guys
this is a fun thread
BUT
its really the indian not the arrow.....:(
sorry to pop your cherry
icbw
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Irrelevant to the conversation. No one asked which pin makes you play better. OP asked which pin provides most feedback, and what the properties of the different pins are (if any).
 
IMO
Uniloc isn't worth the extra money. If you need extra shafts, you are looking at another $10-20each.

Radial provides a tight fit, but is harder to sell and buy. Also not many people like it as there are fake ones that get in the way.

3/8 -10 seems to retain it's value if you ever wanted to sell the cue, and you can get most if not all shafts with this pin.

5/16 - 14 is just ugly.
 
why not get their native joint like the united or wavy?

those joints screwed on real tight.
 
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