Emily duddy pro or no

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I agree with everything you said except saying she's a 2. That's ridiculous lol She's beautiful and turns heads every where she goes at the expo. That being said the last 2 years at the expo they had a small women's pro tournament and just watching ALL of them practice it didn't take long to see that allison fisher is heads and shoulders better then the pack and it wasn't even close lol They were all playing for second and allison wasn't even going to break a sweat. I like emily a lot . She's a sweat heart to talk to and I think she loves the game and is working hard at it but right now her best skill is self promotion and schmoozes with the best of them. lol It's not her fault..it's pools fault for having a system that requires nothing from you to be a pro. Just wake up one morning and announce your a pro and if you have the cheese to pay your way into the big tournaments your in!!!


phillyviper1 said:
If a female that was 400 pounds walked into a bar she would get noticed also. and to even put duddy on the same level as jeanette is an insult . because number one jeanette is a good player and has done so much for our sport and has won and competed on a very high level and has talent, yes she also has sponsors and plays the pretty girl card too but she not only looks good she plays good pool. Duddy is just an average C player with minimal talent, and on a beauty scale of 1-10 is maybe a 2 . The reason why she is able to get sponsors is simply because there are not enough woman that play good pool and new companies are trying to get there product out there so she fits the bill. Ok so this thread is asking if she is a pro or not and the answer is simple. ABSOLUTELY NOT. and for the wpba to give her that title is an insult to all the females that deserve and earned that title through hard work and practice and having talent. Because the fact remains that lee,fisher,corr,vivian,jasman,kim,poe,webb,and the list goes on have more talent playing oposite hand than duddy has playing her actual speed.
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The haters clearly hate. If she is allowed to play on an amateur tourney which doesn't state No pro's then who cares. Players gotta play and I'd love to see her play any of the haters. Would you decline a chance to play against Feijin cuz he's a pro and you are just a b. Please... But you want nothing to do with her because she's ranked as a b player and a pro. HA.



So she is sexy when she plays pool... That's a bad thing? I'd rather watch her hustle than some of the crotchety men around here.



JG
 
The ultimate issue is that the game isn't organized very well with respects to a definition of a pro and there are very few pro events anyway. I know a few male players that only play pool for a living but avoid playing in "pro" events. They fly under the radar and play in all the big amateur events. Technically they are "pro's".

If it's a handicapped event, and her handicap is fair then why not let her play whether she is "pro" or not. It's semantics. Maybe someday pool will get organized and have real pro tour but now especially on the women's side, pro pool is barely alive.
 
dardusm said:
The ultimate issue is that the game isn't organized very well with respects to a definition of a pro and there are very few pro events anyway. I know a few male players that only play pool for a living but avoid playing in "pro" events. They fly under the radar and play in all the big amateur events. Technically they are "pro's".

If it's a handicapped event, and her handicap is fair then why not let her play whether she is "pro" or not. It's semantics. Maybe someday pool will get organized and have real pro tour but now especially on the women's side, pro pool is barely alive.
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Id have no problem with any woman pro entering any men's amateur event. I mean, Alison Fisher might not show for chump change, but some others would... and I'd love to play them... be fun... which I thought pool was suppose to be :wink:
 
John Novak said:
Fasteddie doesnt have a problem with the fact that She calls herself a pro. What he has a problem with is the fact that she IS a pro, and RANKED as a PRO. Yet she is allowed to play in an amature event. I personally agree with Fasteddie. If you are Ranked as a pro you shouldnt be allowed to enter Amature events. Yes I agree that she really is about a C+ to B- at best, yet the womens governing bodies of pool recognize her as a PRO.....End Of Story... BTW would you let Karen Coor play in the amatures I didnt think so.......Rank is Rank......period.....
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I disagree. Being a women's pro and a men's pro are 2 different things. Being ranked as a women's pro does not put you at a level that should necessarily be banned from mixed tourneys. The whole point of pros not playing in amateur tournaments is to keep the field from being dominated by a pro who plays pool for a living, giving no one else a chance to win. If someone does not play at that level, then it defeats the purpose to ban them, no matter what their title is somewhere else. Emily is not going to dominate any significant mixed men's tourney, so she this shod be of no concern. Karen Corr on the other hand would beat the vast majority of amateur men, and should therefore not be allowed to play in amateur events. I don't care what they are ranked by the wpba, the question where hey stack up against the competition of the amateur event. Emy would not have any any chance in a mixed pro event, and would not dominate any mixed amateurs event, so why wouldn't she be able to play?
 
Solomon said:
Sir, what you (and many others in this thread) are trying to debate is skill level and that has nothing to do with whether she is a pro or not. I'm not knocking her skill level because I actually think she can play (although I'd love to meet up with her in a tournament). However, world rankings does not determine if one is a pro or not (man or woman). By definition, a pro is someone that makes their income by doing an activity or by doing something related to that activity. If she has pool sponsors, if she gets paid to make appearances at pool events, and if someone pays her to play pool (likely in the form of tournament entry fees paid by a sponsor) then she is a professional pool player.
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As I said before, the point of not allowing pros is to keep the field fair. So, I don't care if she fits the definition of a pro as you put it, she does not make a mixed field unfair, thus she does not violate the point of not allowing pros.

When their is such a difference in men's pro vs women's, you have to be have a way to differentiate what a pro is for events that mix the two. As said many times before, she does not play pro speed, so it does not matter if she makes a living as a pool player/ model against women. When it comes to mixed events, her "pro" playing against women is irrelevant, while her rating is much more important. You are not allowing for the purpose of the rule to be used over a very black and white view you guys are taking that doesn't make sense.

You say people are missing the point of this thread, but I don't see it that way. Those people just don't see it as "be called a pro, then your a pro". They think, as I do, that your rank is more important than a "pro" status given by the wpba.
 
JuicyGirl said:
The haters clearly hate. If she is allowed to play on an amateur tourney which doesn't state No pro's then who cares. Players gotta play and I'd love to see her play any of the haters. Would you decline a chance to play against Feijin cuz he's a pro and you are just a b. Please... But you want nothing to do with her because she's ranked as a b player and a pro. HA.



So she is sexy when she plays pool... That's a bad thing? I'd rather watch her hustle than some of the crotchety men around here.



JG
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People are haters because she's average at best in pool skills yet she gets sponsorships she would never have if not for her looks ,,, plain and simple ,, and thats not just here there's other woman pro players who resent her ,, , but sex sells and she's a solid 7 there

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2professional
noun

: someone who does a job that requires special training, education, or skill : someone who is a member of a profession

: someone who is paid to participate in a sport or activity

: someone who has a lot of experience or skill in a particular job or activity

Pro? Yes, Top Pro? Nope! Fun to look at? Yes.
 
Maybe I can clear a few things up for those who have opinions but don't know the facts.

WPBA pro players were not permitted to play in WPBA sanctioned amateur events when there was a women's pro tour. Now that there is no longer a women's pro tour, they are welcomed back into many of those events where they were originally banned.

I am sure that if the WPBA once again establishes a regular pro tour, the women pros will again not be allowed to play in those events against amateurs.

Also, keep in mind that in the past there were certain events that were always open to the women pros as well as women amateurs, such as women's state championships.

Players like Emily are a credit to our sport and should be praised and encouraged rather than beaten down. I sincerely hope that if she has the misfortune to read this thread, she is not in the least discouraged by ignorant people who can't help be who they are.
 
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Of what I seen, please no disrespect here just my opinion , She is not a top 100 women player!

As of today that is, maybe she will become a top 20 player who knows, I hope the best for her, !
 
FranCrimi said:
Maybe I can clear a few things up for those who have opinions but don't know the facts.

WPBA pro players were not permitted to play in WPBA sanctioned amateur events when there was a women's pro tour. Now that there is no longer a women's pro tour, they are welcomed back into many of those events where they were originally banned.

I am sure that if the WPBA once again establishes a regular pro tour, the women pros will again not be allowed to play in those events against amateurs.

Also, keep in mind that in the past there were certain events that were always open to the women pros as well as women amateurs, such as women's state championships.

Players like Emily are a credit to our sport and should be praised and encouraged rather than beaten down. I sincerely hope that if she has the misfortune to read this thread, she is not in the least discouraged by ignorant people who can't help be who they are.
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We'll said




* wish I had started this crap earlier *
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
At the amatuer level model she is trying to be, everyone else is making more money off of her than she makes. She's a clown fit for a circus, not a pro pool tournament.
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What qualifies you to belittle her?

There are forum rules in place to cover this though.
Consider this your only warning on these attacks.
 
FranCrimi said:
Maybe I can clear a few things up for those who have opinions but don't know the facts.

WPBA pro players were not permitted to play in WPBA sanctioned amateur events when there was a women's pro tour. Now that there is no longer a women's pro tour, they are welcomed back into many of those events where they were originally banned.

I am sure that if the WPBA once again establishes a regular pro tour, the women pros will again not be allowed to play in those events against amateurs.

Also, keep in mind that in the past there were certain events that were always open to the women pros as well as women amateurs, such as women's state championships.

Players like Emily are a credit to our sport and should be praised and encouraged rather than beaten down.
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Although I understand the WPBA's concern, I don't think that the issue here is the WPBA prohibiting their pro members from playing in amateur events, it's the other way around, it's whether amateur events should prohibit WPBA pros from playing in theirevents and whether it is ethical for a pro to even attempt to compete against the amateurs. That's where the perception of unfair advantage takes hold. Unless, of course, the event is specifically designed and intended for both amateurs and pros to play in.

J
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
And as a community there will be views that you don't agree with. Don't be such a clueless ass and tell people that if they don't follow the norm they should be banned.

Just like the last time Emily's name came up on the forum, we all agreed then. She is not a pro. She gets attention from the clothes she wears, and has often violated the dress code for a tournament. Here's a question to you, who has made more money. The photographer who took the pictures of Emily on the table or Emily? If you chose Emily, wrong pick. At the amatuer level model she is trying to be, everyone else is making more money off of her than she makes. She's a clown fit for a circus, not a pro pool tournament.
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Pure ignorance here, She is not a great player as of now, but at lease she is trying to become a great player, and she looks awesome at doing it!
 
Just to throw 2 more pennies into the pile-

Emily plays in a couple amateur local tours. Nobody that I know of, has any issues with her playing.


Eric
 
What if some dude who was a weak A player strut around in tight Thirty and short shorts , bragging about being a pro? You'd say he was delusional right??

Look if you don't make at least 40 k as a traveling pro, it's a past time not a job. So there may be 5 or so US male pros and Jeanette Lee with her APA take. Having a few small time sponsors doesn't do anything but help with expenses
 
Ill throw in my 2 cents. She plays about B, B+ speed. Should she be allowed to play in the amateur events? I really could care less either way, it doesn't seem like she has won any of them yet so who cares. Now if she constantly won amateur events, then it would be a little different.

Here's what I took away from the video that I saw her play against the Chris guy in the Ginky event. First and foremost the commentator was a fvcking idiot, did anyone listen to that guy? He kept saying "omg this guy is nervous, this guy butchered that shot, Emily needs to punish this guy, etc" I'm pretty sure commentators were supposed to be unbiased. Secondly, the entire time Emily acted as if she was God's gift to pool. She plays decent speed and can get out with about 4-5 balls left on the table, but the way she carried herself was totally unnecessary. It was almost as if she was just waiting for this guy to get out of her way so SHE could play. Funny thing is, I didn't see her act that way when she was getting blown out in the Asian event. Im all for people improving and wanting to become pro players, but I think we would all take her more seriously if she wore a basic outfit to play pool in (no need for leopard prints and tank tops to play pool), and didn't act like she was the best player in the house.

Hey, but all this is none of my business. ;)
 
Frankly the words expressed by some on this thread is sad. You clearly are not helping to bring the game of billiards out of decline. Which means you are doing a disservice to all of us. I take a lot of crap from the likes of you and it's sad. However, I have two young girls who are learning the game and I hope one day they too will rob you of your 21st place in the WPBA chart (yes. I know it's a woman's league, but you can't tell that in this thread) as crappy B player.



Now go carve a rock caveman.

JG
 
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