Fusco's The Spot (smoking allowed - nasty)

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Bishop said:
Whatever "ACT" or "Mandate" that strips a private property owners right to offer a smoking establishment to paying adults is Anti-American and agenda driven by people who wish to take liberties away from others.

This establishment shouldn't have to be a "private club" to allow smoking.

You and others who advocate and push this kind of legislation clearly have no concept of private property vs. public property.

You also have no concept of free will and your ability to make choices as you demand that others be stripped of their right of choices in order to accommodate yours.

You and people like you are 100% the problem. Its not enough to take care of yourself or better yet you're not intelligent enough to take care of yourself and you require laws in order to keep yourself from making bad choices. So you push to remove the free will of all people because you're incapable of exercising your own.
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There was a time when there were signs that said, "No blacks" and "No Jews" allowed.
Can I assume you are still fine with that today in the name of free rights?

Somewhere there has to be a line and we can't live in absolutes.
 
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macguy said:
There was a time when there were signs that said, "No blacks" and "No Jews" allowed.
Can I assume you are still fine with that today in the name of free rights?

Somewhere there has to be a line and we can't live in absolutes.
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As someone who manages 1,000+ Macs at a major bank, I have to side with macguy. :)
 
xplor said:
. Thank you Poolmouse for taking on the dangers of second hand cigarette smoke in Fusco's,

It is scientific inquiry like yours that makes our lives better
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If anything it opens prospective customers' eyes, a plus given how aloof Fusco's The Spot has been about the risk of second hand cigarette smoke in their place. ;)
 
I wonder how bad it sucks to be an attention whore... it seems pathetic that someone would sit and watch for comments on his thread, day and night, so he can answer with the humor and wit of a brainless puppet! Yeah, I spend an hour or so while I'm drinking my coffee and SMOKING MY HANDROLLED CIGARETTES to peruse AZ, Facebook, and the internet in general. But, when I'm done, I actually go to a poolroom and practice, gamble, or sweat action. Or I may cut my grass, or wash my truck, or ride my motorcycle along the beach. The point is, I, and most everyone else who has posted in this thread, actually has things to do besides watch this thread and try generate attention to ourselves. Let's start talking about action: I hear Freezer is looking to have one last "hurrah" with Efren. That would be great! I've always enjoyed watching Efren play! It's also rumoured that Scott is planning a trip to the New Orleans area and stopping in at Buffalo's (smoke 'em if ya got 'em) for some action! I'll definitely be there for that (smokin' 'em cuz I got 'em)!
 
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poolmouse said:
As someone who manages 1,000+ Macs at a major bank, I have to side with macguy. :)
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I don't really have a side. I can see a private club allowing smoking. Smoking and buying cigs is not illegal. I have not read all the laws but smoking bans apply to public places. It seems like the only distinction is, is the place in question really a private club.

Having said that, would you rat them out if you could? I know I wouldn't, it is none of my business. I have a problem right now with a tenant who parks their boat on the property.

They have my permission but it turns out there is an ordnance. One of the neighbors it seems has complained and they now have to move it. If you drive around my city you will see boats, RV and all kinds of stuff in driveways that are probably violating some ordnance.

All you have to do is come in contact with one of these code enforcement guys to have a real bad taste about them. My wife wrecked her car. I had it towed to the house and put on the west side. I needed to get some estimates
on the repairs to decide what I was going to do with it.

All of a sudden I get a notice in the mail I have a derelict car on the property and 10 days to move it. On the notice according to the dates it been there two weeks. In reality the date of the notice it was there 48 hours. I had the accident report proving it.

When I went down town and complained I needed some to see what I was going to do with the car and that the officer had lied on the form about how long the car had been there, they told me to just get it out of there in a reasonable time there was not going to be any fines.

Here is the kicker, over the next few months I get over 30 violations on my property by the same officer who I proved was a lier. Everything from my house numbers were not the right size, to building materials stored on the property. I had a small pile of block by my garage, like 10 bricks.

The worst was they said I had an illegal drive way. I was parking on grass. I can drive around town and find people parking on grass on every street in the whole F'n city This parking situation by the way had been going on since my father bought this property in the 1940's. I had to spend like $2000 to pave a drive on the west side of the house.

I can tell you, if my father was still alive, of course he has been dead for 45 years, he would have stuck this guy head first in the everglades.
I am not being funny.

You don't have to have too many run in with local government to develop a real hatred for them.
 
miscrewed89 said:
...sit and watch for comments on his thread, day and night...
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If you visit your nearest Apple Store you can sit with an intelligent young genius who can explain that miracle of technology, the iPhone. Notifications are a beautiful thing.

I suspect 19th Century Luddites had similar challenges.
 
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Have they changed their policy for you yet? I can't see any reason why somebody wouldn't change the way they do business so that you'd approve. They're really missing out.

Next, you should start a thread about places that overpour.
 
BRussell said:
Nah. Tobacco is the leading cause of death in the US. Not just drug-related, not just preventable or behavioral causes - the leading cause. It's close to half a million Americans dead per year, and that's even after a large decrease in smoking over the past several decades.

Alcohol is the cause of probably less than 20% of that total, even though far more people drink than smoke. It's involved in all kinds of bad behavior, crimes, assaults, etc. But you can also drink alcohol with no harmful effects and possibly health benefits, which is not true of tobacco.

Honestly, I can't believe it's legal to sell cigarettes, given that you can't sell things that are far less harmful.
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Again this is a personal choice to drink, eat poorly, smoke or whatever. Not something that should be decided at the expense of our choices.
 
macguy said:
There was a time when there were signs that said, "No blacks" and "No Jews" allowed.
Can I assume you are still fine with that today in the name of free rights?

Somewhere there has to be a line and we can't live in absolutes.
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I'm glad you brought this up because its not an apples to apples comparison.

The establishment is not discriminating against non-smokers. Anyone can enter and anyone can leave. A person can completely exercise their free will.

In the case of refusing service to blacks or jews we're talking about discriminatory practices that single out and refuse service based on skin color or some kind of affiliation. Whereas a smoking bar allows the individual to decide for themselves what they want to be subject to.

So in your example the free will of black and jews are stifled and in my example the non-smoker has all the freedom in the world to enter or not. They can even go so far as to create their own bar with their own policies allowing smokers to enter or leave.

I'll even take it a step further for the sake of the argument. Even though say a Grocery store is a privately owned business I'll advocate for places like that to be smoke free. Reason being is that those kind of establishments are subject to minors entering against their own free will. We can't stop mommy or daddy from taking little junior into the grocery store that allows smoking. So I can see the value in protecting the health of a minor who cannot exercise their own free will or isn't mature enough to be educated on the harmful effects of smoking...or kids with bad parents.

But we're talking about 21 and over, adult only establishments that don't allow minors. Perhaps if the bar allowed minors until say 6pm it could be a non-smoking bar during the day until it was strictly adult only admittance. A very reasonable and fair compromise.

There should be compromise and as you put it, the line should be drawn....at an adult only establishment that does not allow minors.
 
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