Yeah, the scale was way off, just for illustrative purposes to see if I was understanding you.
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Don't worry Knob, I wasn't talking about you. I know you don't have a clue when it comes to pocketing balls.
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Kind of what I figured, you dodged the question completely. You also have no idea how well I aim. No problem, once again you proved exactly why you're posting in this forum. I have no idea why Mr. Wilson keeps warning you and you keep doing the same ole, same ole. Regardless, you're on ignore now so have at it.
Im lost here..... years back it was said the cue didnt pivot at the bridge, but now it does? Im seriously trying to understand this. Neils video shows his bridge hand planted on the line from ob center to cb edge, and he is pivoting from the bridge correct?
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No theories, can you duplicate the first shot on your table?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdq1-kiEZo
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You wanted an answer to your rhetorical question? <rhetorical question btw.
And please at least pretend you have me on ignore and don't respond to me. It might save us both a banning.
Nice, ignore is working.
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I've never managed to duplicate seeing the visual that he sees between CTE and Edge to c. I can guess it and get pretty close most of the time, but I know I'm guessing it, not seeing it.
And even though Gerald, a great player btw, sees it, I wonder about the requirement of repeatability of moving exactly from the visual to 1/2 tip off center and the length of bridge required.
I can understand these can be repeated maintaining reasonable accuracy (say a pocket width over that distance), so his center pocket shooting is very impressive, as his stroke and bridge show no sign of intuitive adjustment. I'm sure Gerald would quickly recognize if he was making adjustments during the pivot or stroke, and I'm pretty sure he'd never lie about it.
So my mind gap comes down to how he perceives the visual and takes that to 1/2 tip offset. And, I'm still not convinced any bridge length will do. Would be interesting to hear his thoughts on how bridge length affects his method.
btw: Thanks for the great video link. I've seen it before and was quite impressed by it.
You could have just said 'no'.
Actually, after close inspection, I was wrong!
Gerald is moving his bridge when pivoting between aligning cue to 1/2 tip off center to his final aim. This 2nd shot was a thinner angle and he has intuitively adjusted approximately 2 mm with his bridge hand to compensate for an erroneous visual perception.
It adds further weight to the argument that CTE players are pivoting intuitively with adjustments never mentioned in the system.
I produced the animated image below from 2 screenshots of his second shot to prove the bridge shift.
Edit: The gif is not playing in the browser as it does on my computer. I'll attempt to replace it with one that works. Until then, others might want to watch the video of the 2nd shot to see the bridge shift during pivot. It's strange that I can open the gif and it works in firefox browser but won't work in this thread. Perhaps there is a block on gifs in this forum. Happy to send anyone the gif so they can see it, or post it somewhere online so others can see it. msg me.
Update: Let me know if you can see this animated GIF here: http://m.UploadEdit.com/b042/1416047179929.gif
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I have had gif ' s converted automatically on here before. I think there is a size limit.
If you can pm me something that will show up on here I'd like to watch it.
Edit: Nevermind, I watched the link you were able to add in your post. It's those minute adjustments like that that go unnoticed.
If you can pm me something that will show up on here I'd like to watch it.
Edit: Nevermind, I watched the link you were able to add in your post. It's those minute adjustments like that that go unnoticed.
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I tried a smaller version as well, but it's clearer on the large version.
Yep, that mm or 2 of pivot point movement equates to a full pocket width or so over that distance.
I was always suspicious about proponents looking at the OB as they pivoted, especially on more challenging shots.
Wonder if anyone can copy the gif from http://www.uploadedit.com/_upload-animated-gif.htm and make it work on this forum.
On top of that small adjussent, even a tiny (unnoticeable) difference in where we drop in (even with a manual pivot) will change the outcome of a shot. #subconsciousmiracles
Exactly, I worked on some pivot based aiming systems years ago, using math to determine differentials and required adjustments. I found very small inaccuracies in pivot/bridge placement led to significant errors.
Hey Colin - do you have the redistribution rights to that video 
I am trying to understand what you are suggesting I do - I never think about bridge length as it is typically determined by the position of the cue ball.
From my perspective it is 100% reproducible - and if I screw something up and the shot line looks incorrect I will restart.
Gerry
I am trying to understand what you are suggesting I do - I never think about bridge length as it is typically determined by the position of the cue ball.
From my perspective it is 100% reproducible - and if I screw something up and the shot line looks incorrect I will restart.
Gerry
To be perfectly fair to Gerry I know he doesn't use manual pivots. All his videos are using visual sweeps except this one. If my memory serves me correct this video was done in response to someone asking whether a different bridge distance was necessary for different shots. Gerry feels it doesn't but I do recall there being a graphic on the second DVD about bridge distances for manual pivot.
I think the general idea is to understand the manual pivot then move on to visual sweeps. Like Gerry, I find it a more natural movement, you're not moving your line after you are down on your shot and certainly you're not concerned with bridge distances.
So if you think you've found some "secret adjustment" I think you'll find it's just a quirk of Gerry's pivot. Since he really doesn't use manual pivots I'm not sure you want to build your case on his manual pivots. He's moving his head as well as his bridge when he pivots which is not what you want to do.
My bridge or head doesn't move when I pivot and neither does Stan's.
Look at the first 2 shots in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWUc1gm9gjI
Hi Gerry,Hey Colin - do you have the redistribution rights to that video
I am trying to understand what you are suggesting I do - I never think about bridge length as it is typically determined by the position of the cue ball.
From my perspective it is 100% reproducible - and if I screw something up and the shot line looks incorrect I will restart.
Gerry
Appreciate your friendly response!
On the second shot, a movement in your bridge is quite clear from my screen grabs. I'd estimate this movement to be beyond 1mm which I estimate equates to about a full pocket width undercutting from what you would have hit the OB to, had the bridge not moved.
I'm not suggesting you were aware of this, but that you intuitively adjusted during the pivot, as you turned your attention to the OB.
That's my guess based on what I can see and my experience of how my own brain works during alignment over the years. You may have a better explanation based on your knowledge of your technique and conscious decisions when using the method.
I should ask, if you think it is possible that you make intuitive adjustments during the pivot, or if you don't base your pivot on a fixed bridge V?
I see the movement in your video but not in mine - did you slow it down? What movement do you see, looks like a backstroke to me
I don't use manual pivoting when I play but all I can say is that when I do in practice or something that I never think about bridge length. Not saying it isn't relevant - just that I don't consider it in my routine.
Cheers,
Gerry
I don't use manual pivoting when I play but all I can say is that when I do in practice or something that I never think about bridge length. Not saying it isn't relevant - just that I don't consider it in my routine.
Cheers,
Gerry
I just took two screenshots from your video Gerry. The first was as you set your bridge to 1/2 tip, the second was during the execution of your shot.I see the movement in your video but not in mine - did you slow it down? What movement do you see, looks like a backstroke to me
I don't use manual pivoting when I play but all I can say is that when I do in practice or something that I never think about bridge length. Not saying it isn't relevant - just that I don't consider it in my routine.
Cheers,
Gerry
As the camera is static, and all other points don't move, we can assess that the bridge moved during the pivot.
As you don't do the mechanical pivot often, I can understand that the bridge length hasn't come into your thinking much. I'd guess your bridge length, when unobstructed has very little variability.
Edit: Oh, the movement I see is bridge V moving to the right a mm or so, via the thumb opening wider right.
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