So which of Pool's myriad games will be played to decide who is the one, true, WC?
Congratulations Shane-world pool masters champ
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So which of Pool's myriad games will be played to decide who is the one, true, WC?
You're right, he makes more money than any other player in the sport every year, I doubt you could offend him....
Who are all of the people rushing into this thread to proclaim Shane isn't the best in the world? As far as I can see, that's barely been discussed. The only thing that has happened is somebody claimed SVB was a world champion, and others corrected them.
Again, you're in an SVB thread calling people idiots for something they aren't even doing.
I said 9 or 10 ball.
Ron Swanson
Banned
Like idiots do.
I think the defensive sentiment here goes far beyond this thread. Not too long ago, there was a thread about Shane not having world titles and there was a lot of negative commentary (from same people on this thread) about him not winning overseas. Have a look ... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=379201
And now that he has won a big title, his fans like to soak it in, yet some of those same people are jumping saying he is not a world champion. That just doesn't sit well with his fans. Allow me to connect the dots for you regarding why:
1) Feijen is currently our WPA 2014 World Champion.
2) Based on his 2014 performance record, Many do not believe Feijen is the best player in the world right now.
3) I think the designation of World Champion should be reserved for the player with the best performance record in the world. This is the way it is done in most big time sports (tennis, golf, F1, etc.). I don't care for the WPA designation.
4) Based on his 2014 performance records and his recent WPM win, Shane Van Boening is the best player in the world right now. Based on how the year finishes out, we can judge again. Right now, it is all SVB.
Here are the 2014 performance records inclusive of all tournaments and games.
Feijen --> http://www.azbilliards.com/people/1356-niels-feijen/
SVB --> http://www.azbilliards.com/people/4315-shane-van-boening/
Judge for yourselves.
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I think that is the heart of the argument. Today World Champion = Having won the world championship. And there are those of you that like that. I dislike it. I think it should be as it is in other sports ... just like it is here ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Drivers'_Champions
You dislike it, but that's the way it is, a bit like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Professional_Darts_Championship
Indeed, you are correct about pool. And in the spirit of progressing the sport (which it needs), what world standard do you think sets a better precedent to follow Darts or Formula1?
Ron Swanson
Banned
I did ... I am just trying to articulate why I think SVB fans are getting bent out of shape.Did you read what sakujack wrote?
Eh, the title of the thread you linked to is someone claiming Shane has won world titles???
EDIT: and lol! Less than ten posts in is that corvette guy calling people idiots.
For the record, I get why SVB fans can get a little defensive, but come on, some (a lot) of them take it so far overboard. My opinion on who the best player in the world is generally varies, but I would never get that offended by someone favouring another player. Shane is a great player who has won a lot of tournaments and a lot of money (comparatively) playing pool, but he hasn't won a world title yet, and no amount of moving the goalposts by fans of his will change that.
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SakuJack,
You make a lot of sense. But this is confusing, "and no amount of moving the goalposts by fans of his will change that." Do you think it is the fans moving the goalposts? It is confusing to fans what a world championship is because right now it is a WPA designation. In 2008 and 2009, the event was not even held by the WPA. In 2007, there was the Predator World 10-ball Championship. Do you remember who won that? http://www.poolmag.com/predator.cfm Shane won that.
Who is moving the goalposts?
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I know very well what it was and saw the finals. But it was not a called "World tournament" per your post. It was called a "World Championship" at a time when the WPA was on shaky ground and did not even produce a world championship in 2008 and 2009. People lambaste SVB fans for considering Shane a world champion, exploring definitions of the term, and trying to "move goalposts". This "moving goalposts" and definition of world champion is not a fault of the fans ... it is a fault of the way pool has been governed ... which has been my entire point in this thread.
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You just nailed it down right there in that post.
For those who want to play word games and "world championship" must be in the title, he has already done that and the excuses must be made.
For those that say the WPA should be involved, he did that with the wpA sanctioned us open, but further excuses must be made.
And then there are those say he must do it overseas, he just did that as well but excuses must be made.
Like you stated before, which is a better model to follow to advance the sport: darts or F1?
You know? Whether we call this a world championship or not, for Shane, you can't deny the significance of this win.
Now, before anyone calls me a nuthugger, yes, I am a fan on Shane's. While I don't know him that well, I have spent some time around him. I've also had a chance to watch Shane jump a plateau, once before; the 2007 US Open.
Leading up to the 07 US Open, SVB had all the skills to be a top player but I feel like he just lacked a tiny bit of confidence. But, after winning the 07 Open, it seemed like he realized that he can "beat all of em", and the rest is history.
Same situation here, with the international tourneys. SVB's big monkey is that he hasn't won a big one, overseas. Fact. But, BUT...I think that this win may very well be the turning point for Shane's last hurdle.
Eric
Now, before anyone calls me a nuthugger, yes, I am a fan on Shane's. While I don't know him that well, I have spent some time around him. I've also had a chance to watch Shane jump a plateau, once before; the 2007 US Open.
Leading up to the 07 US Open, SVB had all the skills to be a top player but I feel like he just lacked a tiny bit of confidence. But, after winning the 07 Open, it seemed like he realized that he can "beat all of em", and the rest is history.
Same situation here, with the international tourneys. SVB's big monkey is that he hasn't won a big one, overseas. Fact. But, BUT...I think that this win may very well be the turning point for Shane's last hurdle.
Eric
It's simply not that hard to understand you either have won one or you haven't
Plain and simple ,
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