Help with info about Brunswick cue? Asian import?

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Does anyone know any facts about the Brunswick cue in the picture that I have added?

I know that Joss made a line of Brunswick cues, but the logo on that line was different, so I do not think it is a Joss made Brunswick.

But if it was not made by Joss, then could it still have possibly been made by any other cue maker here in the USA?

If not, then was it probably made by a cue maker in Asia, and if so, then does anyone know who made it, and what era the cue is from?

When were these cues being made, and where were they made (and by who)?

I am very interested to know some facts about the cue, and not just guesses.

I can't find any info on google (already tried that).

These Brunswick cues are a complete mystery to me.

Are they worth much money at all (even if they are Asian imports)?

Thanks
 

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justinb386 said:
Does anyone know any facts about the Brunswick cue in the picture that I have added?

I know that Joss made a line of Brunswick cues, but the logo on that line was different, so I do not think it is a Joss made Brunswick.

But if it was not made by Joss, then could it still have possibly been made by any other cue maker here in the USA?

If not, then was it probably made by a cue maker in Asia, and if so, then does anyone know who made it, and what era the cue is from?

When were these cues being made, and where were they made (and by who)?

I am very interested to know some facts about the cue, and not just guesses.

I can't find any info on google (already tried that).

These Brunswick cues are a complete mystery to me.

Are they worth much money at all (even if they are Asian imports)?

Thanks
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I remember those cues when they first came out. Not sure where they were made (here or abroad) but they were low end production cues and sold for something in the 1-200 range. A good first time cue for a new player. Today, one in good condition might be worth fifty bucks. I'm not so sure how well they held up because you just don't see many around any more.

When Joss started making some cues for Brunswick they were better quality. I don't think this was one of them though. If I'm wrong about that and it is Joss made, I would value it at maybe $100.
 
i had one like that quite a while ago, hit real good, wish i still had it.

I seem to recall hearing that adams was making cues for brunswick sometime in the 80's, that would be my guess.

(i definitely prefer that one to the ones made by joss) value id guess 1-200.
 
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owll said:
i had one like that quite a while ago, hit real good, wish i still had it.

I seem to recall hearing that adams was making cues for brunswick sometime in the 80's, that would be my guess.

(i definitely prefer that one to the ones made by joss) value id guess 1-200.
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There you go, that sounds right.
P.S. Dick Helmstetter was the man behind the huge Adam's cue line. He moved over to golf about 25 years ago and helped Calloway get off the ground. Dick made mucho millions along the way and you now see an Adam's line of golf clubs. Same guy behind both!
 
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jay helfert said:
There you go, that sounds right.
P.S. Dick Helmstetter was the man behind the huge Adam's cue line. He moved over to golf about 25 years ago and helped Calloway get off the ground. Dick made mucho millions along the way and you now see an Adam's line of golf clubs. Same guy behind both!
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Thanks Jay, I didnt know that.

You are like a freakin historian about stuff.

I appreciate it.

Ken
 
Ken_4fun said:
Thanks Jay, I didnt know that.

You are like a freakin historian about stuff.

I appreciate it.

Ken
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Ken, I got stuck on that big hill trying to get out of Charleston heading east. My old Chevy wouldn't make it. I think I had to go downriver for another place to cross. Is that hill still there? I'm going back to the late 60's or maybe it was early 70's. P.S. I couldn't find a game in Charleston, went to two bars and then left town. :wink:

Oh no, I'm so senile! That hill (and those bars) was in Wheeling, WV. I did play pool in Charleston, somewhere downtown with a pretty good young player (I may have won a game or two).
 
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Brunswick had a number of cue lines outsourced including Adam, Schmelke, Palmer, Imperial, Joss. This looks like a line made by Falcon.
 
jay helfert said:
There you go, that sounds right.
P.S. Dick Helmstetter was the man behind the huge Adam's cue line. He moved over to golf about 25 years ago and helped Calloway get off the ground. Dick made mucho millions along the way and you now see an Adam's line of golf clubs. Same guy behind both!
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Helmstetter is the inventor of the Big Bertha driver. There used to be a commercial with him in it describing the advantages.
 
justinb386 said:
Does anyone know any facts about the Brunswick cue in the picture that I have added?

I know that Joss made a line of Brunswick cues, but the logo on that line was different, so I do not think it is a Joss made Brunswick.

But if it was not made by Joss, then could it still have possibly been made by any other cue maker here in the USA?

If not, then was it probably made by a cue maker in Asia, and if so, then does anyone know who made it, and what era the cue is from?

When were these cues being made, and where were they made (and by who)?

I am very interested to know some facts about the cue, and not just guesses.

I can't find any info on google (already tried that).

These Brunswick cues are a complete mystery to me.

Are they worth much money at all (even if they are Asian imports)?

Thanks
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How do you not know to get a picture of the pin at this point? You post these threads looking for gold in cheap cues all the time and people ask to see the pin frequently.

The pin will help snswer you tremendously.
 
If the butt is straight, it is a good cue.

Don't matter if it was made by Joss or anyone else.

If the butt is straight, $150 would be easy on Ebay.:thumbup:
 
TATE said:
Brunswick had a number of cue lines outsourced including Adam, Schmelke, Palmer, Imperial, Joss. This looks like a line made by Falcon.
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I'm pretty sure this was made by Falcon when they were based in Canada.

Dufferin of Canada made a lot of Brunswicks also.

I wonder when is the last time Brunswick actually made a Brunswick cue?
 
pt109 said:
I'm pretty sure this was made by Falcon when they were based in Canada.

Dufferin of Canada made a lot of Brunswicks also.

I wonder when is the last time Brunswick actually made a Brunswick cue?
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When did Falcon stop making sharp pointed cues?
 
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jay helfert said:
There you go, that sounds right.
P.S. Dick Helmstetter was the man behind the huge Adam's cue line. He moved over to golf about 25 years ago and helped Calloway get off the ground. Dick made mucho millions along the way and you now see an Adam's line of golf clubs. Same guy behind both!
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Barney Adams founded Adams Golf. Eli Callaway hired Helmstetter around 1985. The inovative Helmstetter designed the "Big Bertha" driver, the father of all the large 440cc drivers. He was not involved with adams golf.
 
gossamer said:
Barney Adams founded Adams Golf. Eli Callaway hired Helmstetter around 1985. The inovative Helmstetter designed the "Big Bertha" driver, the father of all the large 440cc drivers. He was not involved with adams golf.
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Thanks for that info. I was told otherwise by a friend of Dick's that he was involved in the formation of that company. I do think that Callaway and Adams have some connection, perhaps using the same manufacturing facilities. Do you know if that is correct?
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks for that info. I was told otherwise by a friend of Dick's that he was involved in the formation of that company. I do think that Callaway and Adams have some connection, perhaps using the same manufacturing facilities. Do you know if that is correct?
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I don't know. Barney Adams was involved with Dave Pelz originally. Adams had a shop in Hank Haneys teaching facility, which was a converted horse ranch North of Dallas in 1991.
 
ideologist said:
Definitely made in Asia. Look at the gaps in the veneers and the points. Glue voids that are sloppy.
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That cue is a steal at less than $100......I bought out a room once of
their for-sale cues....the Brunswicks by Joss and Falcon were good.

I can't remember when Falcon went to cnc....and I can't remember their
original name when they opened....I was their first red-neck customer.

edit...I just remembered...the original name was Tyler Cues.....
...I think they changed to Falcon when Danny Janes gave them machines and training.
 
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pt109 said:
That cue is a steal at less than $100......I bought out a room once of
their for-sale cues....the Brunswicks by Joss and Falcon were good.

I can't remember when Falcon went to cnc....and I can't remember their
original name when they opened....I was their first red-neck customer.
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Is it still a steal knowing this auction is just a butt, no shaft?

Since most photos on ebay (and even on AZB) are either mildly or wildly out of focus, it is almost impossible to distinguish between 'decal' cues and others made with veneers or splices. You have to know something about the manufacturer to be certain it is worth more than twenty bucks, IMHO.

In that auction I could not tell if it was a decal cue or not by examining those crappy photos.
 
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