John,
Wrote a three paragraph post and then decided to delete it. Said roughly the same thing as you. Why do I (we) have to support professional pool. It is an occupation a person CHOOSES to work at. It is not a RIGHT! Sorry, JMHO.
Lyn
Plea for Mark Griffin to Explain
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John,
Wrote a three paragraph post and then decided to delete it. Said roughly the same thing as you. Why do I (we) have to support professional pool. It is an occupation a person CHOOSES to work at. It is not a RIGHT! Sorry, JMHO.
Lyn
Why should amateur leagues support a professional circuit? Or to put it another way, what makes "pro players" entitled to support? I could be the greatest finger-snapper in the world, that doesn't mean I'm entitled to financial support. Your idea of "professional development" is hardly a good ROI for the amateur league player, especially those who live in small towns with no poolroom.
I realize I'm going off-topic but since Mark Griffin already responded that he wasn't going to answer the OP, I'm declaring a state of thread anarchy. :dance:
Edited to add: Great minds think alike!
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on about what they've done for me
The Pro players I know would do a lot to help others
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on about what they've done for me, would you like me to? LMAO!!! :yeah:
I'll just give one example: Shane Van Boening went out his way to make sure I was the 2012 Mosconi Cup Captain. I barely even know Shane and he did that for me, and he's just the "sample example" for Rodney, Johnny, Dennis, Mike, Strickland, and Rob Saez.
Grouping any one group together and labeling them is bigotry, no if's, and's, or but's. <-----Click Here
The Pro players I know would do a lot to help others
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on about what they've done for me, would you like me to? LMAO!!! :yeah:I'll just give one example: Shane Van Boening went out his way to make sure I was the 2012 Mosconi Cup Captain. I barely even know Shane and he did that for me, and he's just the "sample example" for Rodney, Johnny, Dennis, Mike, Strickland, and Rob Saez.
Grouping any one group together and labeling them is bigotry, no if's, and's, or but's. <-----Click Here
The Pro players I know would do a lot to help others
I'll just give one example: Shane Van Boening went out his way to make sure I was the 2012 Mosconi Cup Captain. I barely even know Shane and he did that for me, and he's just the "sample example" for Rodney, Johnny, Dennis, Mike, Strickland, and Rob Saez.
Grouping any one group together and labeling them is bigotry, no if's, and's, or but's. <-----Click Here
So what does your comment have to do with why I should financially support professional pool players? Mike Sigel kissed a baby. Dennis Hatch shook my hand. Efren smiled at me after he beat me. Does that make them worthy of my financial support? Lets get real!
Lyn
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CJ goes on and on about himself, maybe he should be given a chance to go on and on about somebody else for a change.
(Kids, stay in school.)
Don't Shoot the Messenger, you Might Miss The Message
You have a right to do whatever you want with you own money. It's plainly printed "In God We Trust" (all others must pay cash). LoL:groucho:
Pro players have been talked about in a bigoted fashion for so long it's become part of the pool culture. This isn't fair to any group, whether they're black, white, yellow, orange or can play pool at the championship level - they all deserve the benefit of the doubt. imo
There's lawyers, bankers, doctors, policemen, and politicians that can give the "pro players" the "6 out" in the untrustworthy department. I'm just pointing that out, nothing personal, please don't shoot the messenger.
Carry on. :thumbup:
You have a right to do whatever you want with you own money. It's plainly printed "In God We Trust" (all others must pay cash). LoL:groucho:
Pro players have been talked about in a bigoted fashion for so long it's become part of the pool culture. This isn't fair to any group, whether they're black, white, yellow, orange or can play pool at the championship level - they all deserve the benefit of the doubt. imo
There's lawyers, bankers, doctors, policemen, and politicians that can give the "pro players" the "6 out" in the untrustworthy department. I'm just pointing that out, nothing personal, please don't shoot the messenger.
Carry on. :thumbup:
If this offends you in any way I apologize, and so does every other professional
What I go "on and on" about is pool, and yes, I share my personal experiences with the "Master Game". . If this offends you in any way I apologize, and so does every other professional player on earth.
What I go "on and on" about is pool, and yes, I share my personal experiences with the "Master Game". . If this offends you in any way I apologize, and so does every other professional player on earth.
SJM,
Thank you for the kind words.
I think you might be getting a delusional - LOL.
BTW - with all this talk about the amateurs 'supporting' the professional player.
That is an old concept. Unfortunately, there is a LOT of animosity against the 'better' players. Just read a few of the previous posts.
Also, FYI - my 'concept' actually does NOT use that model to create financial support for the industry. Money will not flow from one skill set to another.
Mark Griffin
Thank you for the kind words.
I think you might be getting a delusional - LOL.
BTW - with all this talk about the amateurs 'supporting' the professional player.
That is an old concept. Unfortunately, there is a LOT of animosity against the 'better' players. Just read a few of the previous posts.
Also, FYI - my 'concept' actually does NOT use that model to create financial support for the industry. Money will not flow from one skill set to another.
Mark Griffin
Marks have More Fun!
You obviously have all the fun. Lets see...
Mark, Mark please save Pool!
Mark, Mark Please Explain!
Mark, Mark Please Explain how you are going to save Pool not with my help!
Mark, Mark Please Explain how you are going to save Pool and do it all yourself and pay for it too!!!
Yes Mark....you have all of the Fun. So Marks must have more fun!
Yes the Fame is the Teacher! Pool Players got to love em!
Everything would have been just fine if you had used a touch of Inside! Instead things spun completely out of Control! lol
You obviously have all the fun. Lets see...
Mark, Mark please save Pool!
Mark, Mark Please Explain!
Mark, Mark Please Explain how you are going to save Pool not with my help!
Mark, Mark Please Explain how you are going to save Pool and do it all yourself and pay for it too!!!
Yes Mark....you have all of the Fun. So Marks must have more fun!
Yes the Fame is the Teacher! Pool Players got to love em!
Everything would have been just fine if you had used a touch of Inside! Instead things spun completely out of Control! lol
Not really saying they should or shouldn't but rather it was a possible way to support pro pool. Requiring something from the pro players I think is the difference here. Much like Jeanette signs autographs and takes challenges in the lobby from the crowd at DCC (and maybe some other big tourney's) why not have pro players tour the US as they go from tourney to tourney stopping in various league hosting pool rooms for free lessons, exhibitions, etc.?
I agree that many pros don't do much to sustain their profession let alone advance it. Further, pro level tourney entry fees should be much greater than they are currently. A $3000 entry fee tourney could pay 200k to win for instance. I realize this is pie in the sky stuff but generally money breeds more money. Big entry fees and big purses have potential to garner public attention. Public attention could equate to big sponsor money.
Regarding the ROI professional development thing, maybe I'm not clear about that. So, pro players in order to retain a pro card making them eligible to play in high money added tourneys must visit league hosting pool rooms in order to meet professional development in a calendar year to be eligible for tour card the following year. If the tourney added money is enough they will gladly travel from room to room.
Maybe I'm throwing stuff out there to see what sticks but either way I am trying to be solution focused rather than become one of the numerous other opinions on how nothing will work to ever save pool and the game is filled with the shittiest people ever.
Actually, I choose to think there are good people out there that can save this game and that pool will someday become appreciated by the masses before I am too old to draw my rock.
Gary
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Gary,
It would make perfect sense if a say Pool Stick Manufacturer wanted to push its products on a local level that they would hire a Pro Player to travel around scheduling events if they were nothing more than playing different people promoting the brand. Ive often wondered why we haven't seen that type of promotion. It gives the players a chance to be in touch with the people who might want to support them.
The only time we ever see a pro in a room around here is when he is on his way to the US Open.
There is a great disconnect between the amateurs and the pros at least around here and I think that is a shame. People want to hear from them, see them, get to know them and maybe they would practice harder.
How right you are. Professional pool and national pool leagues do not and cannot run local pool. They cannot generate new players. They can provide some tools to help do so but ultimately, only the room owner can actually do that work. The room owner can be lazy and do nothing or he/she can be an ambitious host for the game. He defines the game in his locale.
I have always looked at a poolroom as though it was a church with a congregation. The room owner, through his hard work, would determine the size and the kind of congregation there would be. In my opinion, if our religion (pool) is going to grow, it will be by recruiting and training new priests (room-owners) to form new parishes (open new rooms) and build new congregations (players).
It does seem as if there is some sort of changing of the guard. I'm not sure if its precipitated by time itself or by marketplace change. I would think a new owner would have to look at the possibility of creating a mechanism whereby people came into pool as others were were winding down or exiting the life cycle of a player.
Oddly enough it would seem that the people who would benefit most from playing off the same sheet of music, being trained in what not to do might be the pool room owners.
I've envisioned this as a return to the small town local rooms where people go to hang out, play pool and pass the time. I see this as a retirement hangout where guys who have made their living in other occupations have a place for camaraderie. A place where the older guys go and mentor a younger generation. A low cost operation where the people running it can have control over what goes on in the place and can say no if they want to.
Low cost operations, not necessarily Sports Bars but pool rooms. Like you mentioned just like churches where the owner creates his own brand of pool culture, maybe even one whose policies have been studied and known to work.
I don't think this is such a far fetched idea before the video game age there were pool rooms all over the country and something kept them alive and going. Was it the value they offered the customer? Would something like that even be possible again?