And tucked away in Dad's closet…..

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dogonit

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Good news: the cue is a Brunswick Balke Collender 360 with 1906, name, and tournament engraved. Color is still really bright.

Bad news: Well…very bad news actually. The cue was damaged and repaired poorly at the joint.

opinions on whether it can/should be repaired / restored? Has the value of this cue been decimated?

Bit of a heart breaker. I'm not a player but do love old, historical stuff.

Cheers,

Mike
 

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Really beautiful old cue. Scot at Proficient probably could fix whatever is wrong with it. Don't know if that takes value away or not. Someone else here, who is better versed in antique cue values, will respond. Nice find! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
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My absolute favorite cue of all time. True craftsmanship!

I say have it restored. Who restores it, is up to you.
 
Jerry Rauenzahn. He's in PA. He works on these all the time. Trustworthy and fast. Get it restored to original. Tell him Bogey sent you.
 
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Thinking the joint might be fine and just don't look right to you.

Even if there is a problem, it would be an easy fix for Scot or Jerry

and many other cue maker/repairmen.


I really like this cue! I have over 100 cheap production cues

but nothing like this beauty.:thumbup:



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poolguy4u said:
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Thinking the joint might be fine and just don't look right to you.

Even if there is a problem, it would be an easy fix for Scot or Jerry

and many other cue maker/repairmen.


I really like this cue! I have over 100 cheap production cues

but nothing like this beauty.:thumbup:



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Unless it was a very odd design, the top point where the joint is should be a point, it looks like the cut some off the cue when they replaced the joint.
 
Thanks for the replies. The point on the butt is cut off just below the joint if you look closely. There are a couple of hairline cracks as well, maybe indicating a break. I think it must have lost a half centimeter at least. The ivory is too long, so is not original and the screw is just atrocious…

I live in Vancouver Canada, but would send it to the right person to restore.
 
Ivory so you don't want to be sending it across the line. But, you probably knew that.

Now that the top of the Points have been cut off, I believe there is little you can do to change that, unfortunately.

Makes you wonder what the person was thinking when it was repaired, if that is the case.
Possibly, because of damage, it was a necessary evil in order to fix it. So can't put the blame on the repairman if no one knows.

Far from any real knowledge on Vintage Cue value, but would think that it has lost some due to the repair. But, it is probably worth more to you
considering that it was your Fathers, than to others that would collect them. It is still worth something in my eyes.
Your Father played with that cue so you should take it out and use it as well.

I have no idea of who is in Vancouver that would do repairs. The closest to yourself that I know of fer sure would be Bernie Mikelson, (SP), in Calgary.
 
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Ivory so you don't want to be sending it across the line. But, you probably knew that.

Now that the top of the Points have been cut off, I believe there is little you can do to change that, unfortunately.

Makes you wonder what the person was thinking when it was repaired, if that is the case. Possibly, because of damage, it was a necessary evil in order to fix it. So can't put the blame on the repairman if no one knows.
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If you think you are working on some random cheap cue, you likely won't think of trying to repair a crack, just cut off the cracked part.

It's like people polishing up their old coins to make the look new not knowing any better and stripping away 80% of their value.
 
do not restore it if you want to preserve its value and looks. unless you are looking to make it a playing cue than that is your choice.

the less done to something like this the better. it has lots of value in its present condition.
 
If you think you are working on some random cheap cue, you likely won't think of trying to repair a crack, just cut off the cracked part.
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That is a very good possibility.

I have only seen one nasty crack, (No pun intended of course), and that was on a Pred Jump Cue. The guy was able to repair the crack and make it virtually invisible, and to the best of my knowledge, is still being used.

Unfortunately on this cue, it's like closing the barn door after the horse is out.

Ya know, if someone told me that a person like Scott was able to build a new replica of the top part of that cue and make it look original, I probably wouldn't doubt them.

That would be rather costly tho. I have seen furniture repairmen do some amazing things in the past, so many things are possible when it comes to wood.
 
Looked some more at the pictures, that is an excellent condition cue outside of the "fix" someone did. Although it may be horrible to hear, I wonder how much value was lost by the repair vs if it was in the shape the rest of the cue is in but all original.

I know those go for quite a few hundreds of dollars and most are in a lot worse shape.
 
These cues did come as one piece cues. It is possible it was converted into a 2 piece cue. The points would be lost if somebody tried to split the difference in the length of the cue midway. The original 2 piece 360's have a much shorter shaft when compared to the butt.

What are the measurements of the shaft from tip to joint cacing and the butt not including the bumper? If the cue together is over 56 inches long I would imagine that the points may not have been cut away in a repair. Again it may have been converted at a later date.

Either way it's worth whatever someone will pay. Which is likely over 4K still. The veneers are gorgeous. The butt of the cue has nice grain, looks like Brazilian rosewood, maybe.
 
The measurement from where the wood meets the ivory joint to the but end is 29.5 inches, and from the tip to the wood/joint meeting is 25 5/16 inches, making it almost 54 and 13/16 inches.

The joints just look too long compared to other 360 cues. I'm sure they are not original and the cue was shortened.

The only way I would send a cue with ivory across the border would be to drive it myself, and then ship it, which is a possibility, but still risky. I'm not sure why they are so strct about antiques with ivory...

I have a lot of experience with instrument wood, and I'm sure it is Brazilian Rosewood. from that period it could even have been Cuban Rosewood.

Yes, it was my father's, and possibly my grandfather's. Both played a little, but I have no idea how this cue came into their possession....interesting. Saying that...I don't have a lot of sentimental attachment to this particular item. I do think it should be properly taken care of if possible.
 
dogonit said:
Thanks for the replies. The point on the butt is cut off just below the joint if you look closely. There are a couple of hairline cracks as well, maybe indicating a break. I think it must have lost a half centimeter at least. The ivory is too long, so is not original and the screw is just atrocious…

I live in Vancouver Canada, but would send it to the right person to restore.
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Whatever you do, don't ship it to the US - chances are good it will be seized one direction or the other. A friend of mine had an ivory cue seized at the border coming into Canada - they held it in customs and gave it back to him when he crossed back to the US.

If you can't find a reliable and skilled Canadian cue maker for the job, probably best to just leave it as is - it could be a lot worse.
 
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They also came as 2 piece cues. DO NOT TAKE IT TO THE UNITED STATES UNLESS YOU CUT ALL IVORY OFF!!!


it will be seized and lost forever
 
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