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Which one best Joint pin ?
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Radial vs G-10 pin ? Which one best Joint?
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Personal preference. I love the G-10.
As long as the pin holds the shaft snug against the butt without shaking loose, I don't think it makes any difference what pin you use.
I don't believe there is a pool player alive that could discern what pin is used - in several otherwise identical cues - in a blind test.
I don't believe there is a pool player alive that could discern what pin is used - in several otherwise identical cues - in a blind test.
It's been proven. They taped the joints on several cues, and players who "knew" how certain joint pins hit were wrong. Best hitting joint ended up being a Viking sneaky pete with quick release 5/16-18 pin. Everyone swore it wasn't wood to wood. Most often, people think the joint pin affects the hit. Ferrule and tip - yes. Joint pin, no.
Sounds very scientific...
"Slide13" and "Shaft" are the only ones here making any sense. G10 is a material, not a type of thread.
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Yeah, and if you read my post, I said the joint pin has nothing to do with the hit of the cue. That means the pitch of the thread, as well as the joint material. G10 versus steel, titanium, aluminum, or even wood threads. No one could tell the difference between a Cog's joint and a sneaky pete with brass insert.
It was an experiment done years ago. There was a link to it back in the days of RSB. That was exactly the point of the experiment. Some people said they could tell the difference in hit between different joint materials. A bunch of cues were assembled, and the joints were taped up so that the joint style couldn't be felt or seen. Now, this was done before the Uni-loc and Radial became as popular as they are today. But the results were conclusive in the fact that they were inconclusive. No one could tell joint type based on the hit of the cue. Some people have said stainless joints hit harder than phenolic, and vise versa. On the whole, no one could distinguish what joint type a cue had, consistently, based on just hitting with the cue.
I'll have to bug a few of the RSB guys to see if they have any idea where to find the post.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the theory behind the G-10 pin is that the shock wave from impact will resonate from the tip to the grip. Whereas with a steel pin, the shock wave will reflect the back up the shaft once it reaches the steel pin. From my understanding this means a G-10 pin will feel more "active".
I play with a Cog and it feels different to me than a cue with a steel pin.
I believe I could easily tell the difference..
I play with a Cog and it feels different to me than a cue with a steel pin.
I believe I could easily tell the difference..
I'm sure you'd be able to tell the difference between your Cog and another cue, but (especially with Cogs) I dare to say that it's more shaft than joint pin. If you were to try the test with two different Cogs (not your player) with different pins, I think it would be nearly impossible to tell the difference.
dave
This is correct! Main difference between a Radial Steel vs. G10 Radial is the weight. Assuming both cues weighed the same and same balance point - The Steel Radial will have a slight forward weight than the cue with a G10 Radial.
It all depends which cuemaker you choose to make the cue as they each have their own style and method. Radial pin is the biggest pin of all. It is best used on shafts with long taper to stiffen the hit as Radial has a stiff hit.
Are you saying that the pin doesn't make the cue hit a ton, draw the CB the length of the table, run many racks, give fantasic feedback and etc. Blaspheme. :thumbup:
Radial pins
A radial pin is size and the style or the way the threads are cut.
Radial pins can be cut INTO Stainless steel , brass, aluminum. phenolic or anything that can be machined................................
G10 is a material that cam be machined.
And no, radial pins are not the biggest pin used in pool cues,
Joey Gold uses a 7/16 wood pin and so does Larry a cue maker out of Texas...
From my understanding radial pins are hard on wood threads, regardless of the material its made out of.
You can machine a radial pin out of liquid steel or JB weld if you wanted too.
A radial pin is size and the style or the way the threads are cut.
Radial pins can be cut INTO Stainless steel , brass, aluminum. phenolic or anything that can be machined................................
G10 is a material that cam be machined.
And no, radial pins are not the biggest pin used in pool cues,
Joey Gold uses a 7/16 wood pin and so does Larry a cue maker out of Texas...
From my understanding radial pins are hard on wood threads, regardless of the material its made out of.
You can machine a radial pin out of liquid steel or JB weld if you wanted too.
The problem with that was the masking tape became the actual joint and masked or covered up all the differences between the different styles and types of joints :grin:
Dennis Searing and Paul Dayton tells me the facts I was just sharing it. Radial is the biggest pin on the most common pin out there. I too knew a guy from some countryside who used a redhead size pin on a cue he modified. Does that mean redhead is a proper pin for a cue or the largest pin? I've had a radial pin cue for over 10 years the shafts are still excellent threads are nice and tight jus like they were 10 years ago. And I play almost everyday same cue. Paul has been building cues longer than most cue makers his choice is Radial. Pat Diviney also preferences Radial.
Hey Mike I also recall in one of my dispatches in Kuwait and seeing a gentlemen's cue with a wood pin bigger than 7/16. I'm pretty sure that's the biggest pin in the world.
Radial schmadiel! I prefer the G10 pin!
I heard that theory too.
I recently received a cue with a G10 Radial pin, and have been playing with it since the beginning of the month.
I have always played with steel Radial, or 3/8 10 pinned cues. The cue maker and I went with G10 to keep the weight down as much as possible.
I have not noticed any difference in feel between the G10 and steel pins.
I recently received a cue with a G10 Radial pin, and have been playing with it since the beginning of the month.
I have always played with steel Radial, or 3/8 10 pinned cues. The cue maker and I went with G10 to keep the weight down as much as possible.
I have not noticed any difference in feel between the G10 and steel pins.