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You could post it as unlisted or private, and then just PM the link to certain people.
Like me, for example
Ok, that was a good one lol
You could post it as unlisted or private, and then just PM the link to certain people.
Like me, for example
If I ever did that I'd be glad for you to view it.
Stan Shuffett
Bumped. Slight changes.
Don't you know it says in the declaration of independence all men are created equal? Obviously this meand in the eyes of the law but some people think it means in actual fact.
I agree with what you've said, and I'm interested to hear more about it. If I'm one of those you're thinking might attack, I promise not to comment.
pj
chgo
Who would you trust in a discussion of ghost ball aiming, CJ or Mr. Cranfield?
Better yet, who would trust in a discussion of dirt track racing, Richard Petty or Danika Patrick?
I doubt PJ has shot one shot using the physics of TOI.
If you mean using a little inside to kill collision-induced spin, I do that all the time - whatever part of the CB the occasion calls for.
If you mean aiming for specific parts of the pocket, I do that all the time too - whatever part of the pocket the occasion calls for.
But if you mean habitually using inside/squirt, either as part of aiming or to try to reduce the consequences of stroke error or for any other reason - I've never done that and don't intend to.
And if you think I need to "experience" TOI in order to understand its benefits and limitations, or in order to legitimately comment on it, you're mistaken.
pj
chgo
when we make the decision to progress, we must leave beginning ideas behind
When a player truly masters one shot their confidence is elevated. Once this happens they will discover their own style. Going through the TOI training isn't necessarily to specialize in the touch of inside, it's to open up the ability to synchronize our mind, with what's really happening at impact (TIP to cue ball).
If there's another way to do this I sure as heck don't know it, and I doubt if anyone else does either. The reason is complicated because it has to do with opening up a part of the mind that scientists don't understand.....the subconscious. This is where we have one of the few things that can be completely controlled......our imaginations, which is the foundation of creativity.
Pocket billiards is a very creative game that requires imagination, creativity and confidence....the TOI training is designed to strengthen all three at the subconscious level through repetition, not through understanding (you'll have plenty of time to understand it AFTER making the decision and committing for three weeks).
The issue with not favoring one side of center ball is the player can't tell if he (or she) puts a "touch" of left or right spin unintentionally. This means the players's mind can't synchronize properly and the level of confidence champion players possess can not be attained.
The key to developing confidence is repetition, with a focused purpose in mind.
Trying to hit the center of the cue ball at some invisible "contact point," or "ghost ball" is okay for those starting out - when a beginner, we must think as a beginner, however, when we make the decision to progress, we must leave beginning ideas behind.
For those of you that want to continue on this journey, I will start to expand on the deepest levels of TOI training. I'll be happy to answer any questions on the material we've covered so far, there are also a lot of free video's on you tube....Click Here for More.
It's not why one player shoots better than another...it's about which technique works better for you. For me it's TOI. After shooting from a center CB reference applying English as I saw fit for the circumstances for almost 30 years, I found TOI more consistent especially for pocketing and it allows me personally to play at a higher skill level for much longer than I was before. It flat out works. I'm less and less inclined to continue debating or even contemplating HOW it works, especially the longer these fascile threads continue. If you don't believe in it or don't agree with it's potential for changing your game, then ignore it. No critic here will change my opinion. I've been playing (successfully) with this technique for going on three years now. CJ still manages to leak out a tid bit that actually helps me refine my game further. Hopefully the trolls don't ultimately run him off, I've still got some improvements to make!
When a player truly masters one shot their confidence is elevated. Once this happens they will discover their own style. Going through the TOI training isn't necessarily to specialize in the touch of inside, it's to open up the ability to synchronize our mind, with what's really happening at impact (TIP to cue ball).
If there's another way to do this I sure as heck don't know it, and I doubt if anyone else does either. The reason is complicated because it has to do with opening up a part of the mind that scientists don't understand.....the subconscious. This is where we have one of the few things that can be completely controlled......our imaginations, which is the foundation of creativity.
Pocket billiards is a very creative game that requires imagination, creativity and confidence....the TOI training is designed to strengthen all three at the subconscious level through repetition, not through understanding (you'll have plenty of time to understand it AFTER making the decision and committing for three weeks).
The issue with not favoring one side of center ball is the player can't tell if he (or she) puts a "touch" of left or right spin unintentionally. This means the players's mind can't synchronize properly and the level of confidence champion players possess can not be attained.
The key to developing confidence is repetition, with a focused purpose in mind.
Trying to hit the center of the cue ball at some invisible "contact point," or "ghost ball" is okay for those starting out - when a beginner, we must think as a beginner, however, when we make the decision to progress, we must leave beginning ideas behind.
For those of you that want to continue on this journey, I will start to expand on the deepest levels of TOI training. I'll be happy to answer any questions on the material we've covered so far, there are also a lot of free video's on you tube....Click Here for More.
Nice post CJ!
I personally believe the answer to my question is as follows.
Pocketing balls consistantly is largely a subconscious act.
The subconscious relies on experience along with EXPECTATION.
If one has a system they believe in then with experience they will most likely make it work.
There is a fine line between helpful and hurtful facts when studying. If someones studies lead them to think of all of the factors that can cause one to miss then it will be very hard for them to create positive expectations consistently imo.
I personally am not ruling out the following playing a very big role in the outcome also.
http://youtu.be/M5RhbzkWoRM
I personally believe the answer to my question is as follows.
Pocketing balls consistantly is largely a subconscious act.
The subconscious relies on experience along with EXPECTATION.
If one has a system they believe in then with experience they will most likely make it work.
There is a fine line between helpful and hurtful facts when studying. If someones studies lead them to think of all of the factors that can cause one to miss then it will be very hard for them to create positive expectations consistently imo.
I personally am not ruling out the following playing a very big role in the outcome also.
http://youtu.be/M5RhbzkWoRM
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So, you really are enlightened, grasshopper! JK
Yes, all joking aside, my initial thoughts on the question posed led to this conclusion:
PJ plays from his head, CJ plays from his heart.
Talent (whatever that is in relation to playing the game of pool) will only get you so far. There's also dedication, drive, time spent on the table in practice and competition. All of which CJ has or had more of than PJ.
The same factors allow guys like SVB, Appleton, Shaw, Dechaine, half the Asian population, practically all professional snooker players, Morra, Feijen, etc. to effectively pocket balls better than CJ.
Condescending to the vast majority of pool players in order to make your technique seem better is beginner marketing.
pj
chgo
CCB is very misunderstood even by most top players. CCB represents the highest level of connection that one can have with pocketing. Anything less represents various degrees of guesswork.
Stan Shuffett
Stan Shuffett
The idea that these are mutually exclusive is mistaken. Both is better than either by itself.
pj
chgo
I was not being literal when I said one shot, Sorry.
But I will say this, since I have 3 years of physics, I totally understood all in play for TOI. That said it was not until I spent the full 3 hours hitting every shot with TOI as CJ suggested that I started to really see it's potential as a complete way to play the game.
I then had to fine tune just how I went from center of the CB to the touch of inside to get it to work in a much more fine tuned manner.
If you are going to try to put TOI into a 'language' that everyone can have a better understanding as you stated elsewhere, I think you too might benefit from spending a full 3 hours with nothing but TOI.
If you bring together a meeting of the minds, that would certainly be a good thing.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
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