Questionable BCAPL Sanctioning Going on in Wisconsin?
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Lyn,
I'm not going to add anything to this debate. But what a great word "obfuscate". Learn something everyday here. Carry on.
Darryl
Chuck,
I'm not against CSI /BCAPL. Play in five or six sessions each year. The question the OP asked happens to be a subject I'm interested in. I call them as I see them. Also write quite a bit of positive feedback. No one, specially those in the billiard world are above reproach. No one.
Lyn
Lyn, wasn't trying to mean you specifically, just calling out a faction of this forum. Some seem above reproach, while some seem fair game.
He should want to "out" himself. Ozzy just offered someone who runs a competing league airtime to discuss issues. I'm sorry but if you are not jumping at that opportunity, something smells.
Seriously, if labrat gave 2 $hits about this being addressed, he would have called Mark and Ozzy to get this straightened out rather than running straight to the internet. It is widely known that all you have to do is call and Mark will discuss issues with hours on end.
Chuck,
Sorry. Guess my skin is getting thin again
. Sometimes the truth hurts. Again, no one is above reproach. Especially on this forum. Wish more people would ask for the truth instead of the drivle we're provided.Lyn
Wait. If the WSPA runs leagues in Wisconsin and the BCAPL runs leagues in Wisconsin, can you explain how you are not competing?
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Chuck,
Sorry. Guess my skin is getting thin again
Lyn
Unfortunately, the drivel can come from both sides.
A wise man once said: "I do not consider the other league organizations as competition, rather I see them as associates."
Tim,
I spent facetime with Mark last week in Vegas. Really enjoy visiting the CSI office when I'm in Vegas. Great people! Sometimes I'm welcomed with smiles and happy faces. Sometimes not so much.
Hate the void called the internet. Even the phone. Too impersonal. Perhaps the OP is the same way. Who knows. Not me. Unfortunately, the way the OP chose to present his problem is todays way of business. Take it to the internet. Put it on youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. Enrage the masses. As they say, "in war, the first victim is the truth".
Lyn
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if you actually believed that, you and labrat would've been on the phone with Mark and Ozzy as opposed to here.
Maybe I'm just too old-fashioned. I've always believed the best way to get a problem/issue resolved is one-on-one, be it phone, email, face-to-face, etc. The OP's posts just seem, for lack of a better word, "chicken$hit".
i believe he was quoting a statement mark griffin made once concerning other leagues. now you have csi ozzy stating that other leagues are competitors.
its funny that just because mark griffin (who its apparent that every one on here respects tremendously....as do i ) owns bcapl people on here tend to justify ( or look the other way )when negative situations arise in bcapl.
as for your remark about not having balls.....does that apply to all the anonymous apa bashers on here also ?
i think what most people on here who have no problem with what transpired here is the fact that this incident is apparently against bcapl league policy.
i would be pissed also if i followed league policy also ...taking time each week from my family for 2 months to qualify for a tournament and guys from the next town over were able to circumvent league policy and qualify in a day or 2.
i am curious to know what erroneous comment ( according to csi ozzy ) the op made if it is in fact against league policy to qualify in a day or 2.
then again this may be another of of those situations where bcapl does not care how the lo's run their leagues as long as their dues are paid.
i would be pissed also if i followed league policy also ...taking time each week from my family for 2 months to qualify for a tournament and guys from the next town over were able to circumvent league policy and qualify in a day or 2.
i am curious to know what erroneous comment ( according to csi ozzy ) the op made if it is in fact against league policy to qualify in a day or 2.
then again this may be another of of those situations where bcapl does not care how the lo's run their leagues as long as their dues are paid.
Your spot on and adhering to the leagues rules are important to preserve the intention on the league however there are many people that could participate in state torneys that can not sanction due to work or other life's challenges. Measures should be taken not to make exceptions but rather be more inclusive.
Not everyone likes or can travel place to place to play, nights can be long not all can dedicate that attention @ that time of day, some esp. in WI work rotating shifts making it impossible to do any of it. Granted to play state most of these folks would have to sacrifice vacation days anyway to play.
Not everyone's life is cut in stone having the same days off....but some of us can still play (not this week) I wouldn't expect the (any acronym you prefer) to bend rules but rather create a 1 day (another vac day ) on ramp to the organization.
My name is Jim
It doesn't matter who I am or what I have posted before. I bring this to this forum as the best way for others to know what is going one in WI. This is not the 1900s where they use the pony express to pass news across the country. We are in the 2000s and we use social media to let others know what is going one in the world. A call to Mark or Ozzy does not bring this issue to light with others across the country. A podcast does not need to be done. Why? There is nothing to debate. Notice he has not answered the questions. Nothing I have said is a lie. Again, answer the questions Ozzy instead of trying to attack the posters. This is not a fair practice to others that follow your written rules. Just think of the players from WI coming to play nationals and all they had to do was play one night to qualify, while all others had to play 8 weeks of play. Some think, this is not a bad idea, but yes it is, It undermines the league system and the pool rooms/taverns that make money with pool players in their businesses for 8 plus weeks. This is who is losing out on this. CSI is getting their sanction fee for every player regardless.
As a person whom this doesn't affect at all and hence could care less what happens here, it's seems obvious to me your intent is to bash the BCA/Ozzy/Mark. If you actually wanted answers then you would take Ozzy up on his offer to do the podcast. But it's easier to say "there's nothing to debate" as a cowardly stance for not speaking to a person face to face or even on the phone. And when you couple this with the fact that you just so happen to run a "non-competing" competing league, it's easy for people to assume the worst of your intentions. *Note - I've never said you're wrong in your accusations but the way you've gone about this is Bush League and even if you accusations are 100% correct, you're unlikely to win this debate in the forums eyes. (Which appears to have been your intention since you brought it to the forum)
As full disclosure, I had some disagreement last year with Mark Griffin as well. Some on this forum and others via pm regarding the amount of people (and reasons for lackthereof) who were attending the BCA Nationals. So I'm not a blind defender of the BCA.