Hill-Hill & You're Shooting the 9 For the Dough

Nothing wrong, but a suggestion. Something Ive notice is that all aiming discussion has been about pocketing the ball.

My belief that aiming consists of pocketing the ball and putting the CB where you want. It is best to practice this at all times. Even with 1 ball, just don't fire away, have somewhere on the table in mind for the CB.

Try those shots with all different types of spin and speed, not just one. Try inside on the first shots you were doing. Then low inside and so on. Just don't go banging balls, have a plan. Try slow rolling the ball into the pocket. You will be surprised how well stroking slow will improve your stroke.

It would be better to show a 15 ball run out video than just single shots.

How many games are played with just one OB?
 
cookie man said:
. I hear you look pretty silly with the way you fidget around after you are down on the shot. We use alignments for shooting shots, not estimating. We don't have to fidget to find what we want, sorry.
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Yeah, John Barton started that rumor 15 years or so ago for the same reason you're parroting it now: trying to discredit me to invalidate the same kinds of comments about Hal Houle's old version of CTE - because he had no reasonable responses.

I beat him that day, so he must have been wrong. Guess that means you're wrong too, huh?

pj
chgo

P.S. You do the same "fidgeting" (aiming by feel) with CTE that everybody does with every kind of aiming. It's an aiming aid, not a miracle.
 
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duckie said:
Nothing wrong, but a suggestion. Something Ive notice is that all aiming discussion has been about pocketing the ball.

My belief that aiming consists of pocketing the ball and putting the CB where you want. It is best to practice this at all times. Even with 1 ball, just don't fire away, have somewhere on the table in mind for the CB.

Try those shots with all different types of spin and speed, not just one. Try inside on the first shots you were doing. Then low inside and so on. Just don't go banging balls, have a plan. Try slow rolling the ball into the pocket. You will be surprised how well stroking slow will improve your stroke.

It would be better to show a 15 ball run out video than just single shots.

How many games are played with just one OB?
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1 ball. :-)

The slow roll tip you suggested is excellent to see exactly what is going wrong, or right for that matter in your stroke or aiming process. You see any swerve you accidentally applied, which is probably the most common reason people miss when slow rolling.

One of my favourite aiming exercises is throwing two balls onto the table then marking their positions. Take BIH and place the cue ball along the short rail and cue from their. Firstly, the cb tight to the short rail is tough enough. But you aren't actually aiming for a pocket, but to contact another ball. I will move the cue ball from the corner, to the next diamond and so on until I'm in the other corner shooting. Its quite difficult but gives you a real understanding of aiming. I'm very much like basementdweller..fractional with BoB thrown in. My pocketing improved like never before once I came up with this drill. To be able to hit any spot on the table (the other ball) teaches you how to aim properly.
 
Pidge said:
1 ball. :-)

The slow roll tip you suggested is excellent to see exactly what is going wrong, or right for that matter in your stroke or aiming process. You see any swerve you accidentally applied, which is probably the most common reason people miss when slow rolling.

One of my favourite aiming exercises is throwing two balls onto the table then marking their positions. Take BIH and place the cue ball along the short rail and cue from their. Firstly, the cb tight to the short rail is tough enough. But you aren't actually aiming for a pocket, but to contact another ball. I will move the cue ball from the corner, to the next diamond and so on until I'm in the other corner shooting. Its quite difficult but gives you a real understanding of aiming. I'm very much like basementdweller..fractional with BoB thrown in. My pocketing improved like never before once I came up with this drill. To be able to hit any spot on the table (the other ball) teaches you how to aim properly.
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How does that drill help aiming?
 
Ron Swanson said:
How does that drill help aiming?
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You don't just get used to hitting pockets, you get used to hitting any part of the table and learn to predict balls reactions better. Aiming is more than pocketing balls. Ever seen someone who could pot balls quite well, but couldn't put a ball safe for the life in them? Because all they would practice is potting into pockets and relied on memory instead of actually understanding how they aim.
 
BasementDweller said:
Okay -- here's little old me working on my aiming. I'm just finding the proper overlap, sometimes with the aid of viewing the contact point first and sometimes not.
There were two things I noticed. First, focusing on your aiming is mentally exhausting. Second, this is very good practice for me because I've learned that my aiming process has been a bit lazy. You will even see me get mad after my first miss and that was because the shot didn't look quite right and I shot it anyway.<==Flash sez,I have to FIGHT myself to not make this blunder...and it's an easy one to fall into. Aargh!
Anyway, if you see anything wrong feel free to point it out.
https://vimeo.com/118246413
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Looks like, to me, you're knocking their dick in the dirt...that's good shooting.
Those long ones are the character builders, in my opinion.
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Ron Swanson said:
How does that drill help aiming?
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Try it and see. Part of aiming is getting the ball where you want, which requires proper aiming of the cue.

From the players I've watched, I see most hitting harder then necessary.

You really want to test your skill level, roll out 15 balls. Do not move any. If there are clusters, leave em, if there are balls on th rail leave em. Then run them all. If you are not used to breaking cluster or know how to move a ball off the rail, this will help. It's a tough drill to just roll out of 15 and then ran them all. Not all layouts are runnable at first. Sometimes you got to move things around in order to run out.

During shooting, if you get bad position where you have to shoot jacked up, do so, don't move the CB like I see a lot do.

But I feel it's too tough a drill for most.

Then again, I got a beautiful stroke and can use it from any shooting position. I don't need no stinking system.
 
duckie said:
Then again, I got a beautiful stroke
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Professionally I would love to see the improvement you made over the last few years of 6000 or so hours of practice a year.

Post some new videos.
 
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duckie said:
Nothing wrong, but a suggestion. Something Ive notice is that all aiming discussion has been about pocketing the ball.

My belief that aiming consists of pocketing the ball and putting the CB where you want. It is best to practice this at all times. Even with 1 ball, just don't fire away, have somewhere on the table in mind for the CB.

Try those shots with all different types of spin and speed, not just one. Try inside on the first shots you were doing. Then low inside and so on. Just don't go banging balls, have a plan. Try slow rolling the ball into the pocket. You will be surprised how well stroking slow will improve your stroke.

It would be better to show a 15 ball run out video than just single shots.

How many games are played with just one OB?
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I believe in keeping it simple. The reason I'm not shooting all those shots with english is because that complicates the troubleshooting. By adding squirt and swerve to the equation it becomes hard to tell if I miss because of a stroke error or because I misjudged the squirt and/or swerve. So for these particular shots I just fire away using center ball (maybe a touch of outside on a couple -- old habits die hard). Plus the whole point of me shooting these particular shots is because I don't yet feel totally comfortable shooting them. There may be some merit to shooting them softer or harder -- especially soft.

Now you think I should just put 15 balls out on the table and shoot them in. How would that help me line up on these particular shots any better? Just shooting 15 random balls into pockets is what most mediocre players do. It's the sort of thing I did for years before I started actually taking my game seriously. Now if we are talking about running those 15 balls in order, that's another story.

http://youtu.be/drbbyFtAa3Q

If you critic my playing above you must realize this was a few years ago and I think I'm a better player today.

I've rejected a lot of the practice recommendations that I have gotten over the years from players. My main focus is just stroke drills and constantly working to improve my ball pocketing ability. That's it really. Doing cue ball control type drills haven't been nearly as beneficial to me. I suppose everybody may be different in this regard.
 
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Pidge said:
You don't just get used to hitting pockets, you get used to hitting any part of the table and learn to predict balls reactions better. Aiming is more than pocketing balls. Ever seen someone who could pot balls quite well, but couldn't put a ball safe for the life in them? Because all they would practice is potting into pockets and relied on memory instead of actually understanding how they aim.
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So simple but yet I've never even thought to try this. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. What's an "Aiming" Forum without an aiming drill?

I'll have to give this a go.
 
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GoldenFlash said:
Looks like, to me, you're knocking their dick in the dirt...that's good shooting.
Those long ones are the character builders, in my opinion.
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I totally agree with the character building part.

Ball pocketing is where it's at. I think it's easy for us all to stop stretching that ball pocketing muscle because as we get better we don't HAVE to shoot as many of these shots. That is until you are playing a decent player and these are the only shots they leave you.
 
BasementDweller said:
I believe in keeping it simple. The reason I'm not shooting all those shots with english is because that complicates the troubleshooting. By adding squirt and swerve to the occasion it becomes hard to tell if I miss because of a stroke error or because I misjudged the squirt and/or swerve. So for these particular shots I just fire away using center ball (maybe a touch of outside on a couple -- old habits die hard). Plus the whole point of me shooting these particular shots is because I don't yet feel totally comfortable shooting them. There may be some merit to shooting them softer or harder -- especially soft.

Now you think I should just put 15 balls out on the table and shoot them in. How would that help me line of these particular shots any better. Just shooting 15 random balls into pockets is what most mediocre players do. It's the sort of thing I did for years before I started actually taking my game seriously. Now if we are talking about running those 15 balls in order, that's another story.

http://youtu.be/drbbyFtAa3Q

If you critic my playing above you must realize this was a few years ago and I think I'm a better player today.

I've rejected a lot of the practice recommendations that I have gotten over the years from players. My mine focus is just stroke drills and constantly working to improve my ball pocketing ability. That's it really. Doing cue ball control type drills haven't been nearly as beneficial to me. I suppose everybody may be different in this regard.
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Buddy, you're a fine player.

If the Duckie wishes to critique your game, it's only because he's old and jealous that he'll never be half as good.
 
In other words you dont have the skill to run out 15 ball just rolled out on the table.

Meaning you don't have the balls to even try and post a video doing it.

What you were doing was just banging away. I was not impressed. I see guys shoot likes this all the time. Get them in a 14.1 game, they fall apart.

How do you not what to troubleshoot if you dont try something new and challegeneing.

You shoot like a banger. Another one that likes to talk about improving rather than improving.


On and if you are not serious about asking for input ...don't. But it is apparent all you really wanted was to have your ego stroked.

Hitting one ball after another in the same pocket, wow, great skill there. Now putting in in the pocket and getting the CB here you want is skill, which you are greatly lacking in.

You have no idea how to play great pool cause guys like you think 9 ball is a real game of skill.

I bet you cant set up these two layouts and run them all in back to back. I mean a person of your skill should have no issues doing so.

Now this is a critique versus a suggestion.
 
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duckie said:
In other words you dont have the skill to run out 15 ball just rolled out on the table.

Meaning you don't have the balls to even try and post a video doing it.

What you were doing was just banging away. I was not impressed. I see guys shoot likes this all the time. Get them in a 14.1 game, they fall apart.

How do you not what to troubleshoot if you dont try something new and challegeneing.

You shoot like a banger. Another one that likes to talk about improving rather than improving.


On and if you are not serious about asking for input ...don't. But it is apparent all you really wanted was to have your ego stroked.

Hitting one ball after another in the same pocket, wow, great skill there. Now putting in in the pocket and getting the CB here you want is skill, which you are greatly lacking in.

You have no idea how to play great pool cause guys like you think 9 ball is a real game of skill.

I bet you cant set up these two layouts and run them all in back to back. I mean a person of your skill should have no issues doing so.

Now this is a critique versus a suggestion.
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You really didn't just say that, did you? And I thought you didn't gamble?

Throwing 15 balls on the table can be good for warming up, but only a banger would think it's actual practice.

I would love to be proven wrong, and see YOU run those two layouts. Let us all see that beautiful stroke and cue ball control you brag about. Or maybe you want to try to beat BD's 10ball ghost score of 7-2. After all, it's such an easy game, right?

BD is a big boy and can respond to you himself, but this is your biggest joke of a post ever, and I couldn't help but chime in.
 
The best practice is actually playing the game that you're going to play.

That's why coaches in other sports try to simulate game situations in practice & crave & really 'love it' when a practice game can be scheduled.

There are those that are great in practice & can't play a lick & then there are those that can't practice worth a crap but are fantastic in a real game.

They're called gamers.

To each their own. One size does not fit all.

What's best for one is not necessarily best for another.

I guess I should say that all of this is just my opinion so as to try to prevent a nit picking argument.

Best 2 All,
Rick
 
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Are you shooting these 15 balls in any order? 1-15? Solids then striped? 15-1? Odd then even? Or just throwing 15 out and shooting any order, ie the easiest possible way to do this, ie not getting punished for poor positional play, ie just banging in the easiest pot available?

I don't know how you can say throwing 15 balls out is better than structured practice of a particular shot a person is struggling with. And then you say they would fall apart playing 14.1...this is exactly how I practice, just like BasementDweller and I don't fall apart playing 14.1. I will give you a month to post your highest 14.1 run, then I will give my self 3 days to smash your high run. Lets see what your beautiful stroke can do.

Better yet...ill give you 2 weeks to post your highest run with the use of your arrow on every shot and I will beat that run within 3 days.

You seem to think rotation players are lesser players for some odd reason. My favourite game is 10 ball then probably snooker. You will never catch me throwing 15 balls out and shooting them. I set up shot after shot all the same and shoot them maybe 30-40 times and move on. Its purely pocketing practice. If I wanted to practice position I would again, set up the same shot and shoot it whilst gaining position on the next ball shot after shot until I'm confident if got that shot down.

You talk down to people a hell of a lot. It isn't constructive in the slightest.
 
Pidge said:
Are you shooting these 15 balls in any order? 1-15? Solids then striped? 15-1? Odd then even? Or just throwing 15 out and shooting any order, ie the easiest possible way to do this, ie not getting punished for poor positional play, ie just banging in the easiest pot available?

I don't know how you can say throwing 15 balls out is better than structured practice of a particular shot a person is struggling with. And then you say they would fall apart playing 14.1...this is exactly how I practice, just like BasementDweller and I don't fall apart playing 14.1. I will give you a month to post your highest 14.1 run, then I will give my self 3 days to smash your high run. Lets see what your beautiful stroke can do.

Better yet...ill give you 2 weeks to post your highest run with the use of your arrow on every shot and I will beat that run within 3 days.

You seem to think rotation players are lesser players for some odd reason. My favourite game is 10 ball then probably snooker. You will never catch me throwing 15 balls out and shooting them. I set up shot after shot all the same and shoot them maybe 30-40 times and move on. Its purely pocketing practice. If I wanted to practice position I would again, set up the same shot and shoot it whilst gaining position on the next ball shot after shot until I'm confident if got that shot down.

You talk down to people a hell of a lot. It isn't constructive in the slightest.
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I agree with that last sentence.

We all should try to avoid doing that as sort of a late New Years resolution.

Best 2 you & All,
Rick
 
Duckie,

The members on this forum have been waiting for you to do the same, for years.

duckie said:
In other words you dont have the skill to run out 15 ball just rolled out on the table.

Meaning you don't have the balls to even try and post a video doing it.
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