US Open 10 ball & 8 ball is Back!

JCIN said:
I first want to say I am not speaking for CSI in any way here. I am speaking as a guy who spent his own time and money trying to do pro pool the way myself and a lot of people in this thread think it should be done. 9 footers, tried all kinds of formats, tried super tight pockets. Tried about everything you can imagine.

None of it works. No one is watching. Free or PPV. Pro pool is dying at an increasingly rapid pace in this country. Don't believe me go look at the schedule of events in 2007 vs. 2011 vs. 2015. Its not a curve or plateau its a cliff.

Now if you accept that pro pool in this country is in a death spiral destined to end up with Derby and Turning Stone as the only large events left, which I do because I think we all agree Barry's event is on its last legs and there are zero new promoters on the horizon. Thats leaves us with the question of "If what has always been in the past is not working what should you do?" Not one single person here can provide a financial plan that shows any kind of profit for holding a five figure added event held on 9 foot tables. That means any events of that type that are held are done really for no other reason than ego or charity. Trying to build a future on either is a fools errand.

So look at what is working in pool in this country. That is leagues and bar tables. Leagues are sprouting up everywhere. While traditional pool rooms with 9 footers are dropping like flies there are bars and rooms everywhere with small tracks. There are hundreds of thousands of people who pay to play pool every week and could not tell you the name of any pro beside "that black widow girl". And why should they? They like to PLAY pool. Why should they care to watch guys who play different games on different tables by different rules? Plus the only way to know when to watch them play is to be balls deep in AZ or Facebook because there is no easy way to find info on where or how to see guys play even if you want to.

So we have this huge disconnect between pro's, pro fans and every other person who plays pool. Its a you against the world thing for traditional pro pool players and fans. I was told once "Son...if its you against the world the world will win" It took me a long time and a lot of effort to finally believe that.

Thats all just a really long way to say that my personal opinion is that we have tried every other damn thing. Why not try the obvious thing right in front of our face for a minute and see if anything changes? Its not like it could get any worse if it fails and it just might get some of those hundreds of thousands of people who play the same games on the same tables to care about the pro side of the game. Also people really should remember its not like there are people meeting all over this country saying "Should we do a nine foot event or a seven foot event?" Its a lot more like "Should we do a seven foot event or not do anything."

As to all the sky is falling, what a joke type comments. Its easy. Reach in your pocket, post the dough and do you a big nine footer extravaganza and show just how many people are clamoring for that golden days gone by type of pool.
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I didn't starting reading this thread until a few minutes ago, but I was not too far into it when I began to wonder when this post was coming. JCIN has been there, done that!
 
8BallWonderland said:
You know why snooker is popular in most countries other than the Usa.
It's because they can show hours and hours of live matches without editing and constant commercials.
Also the fans appreciate how tough the game is.
Only a handful of top pros in the world could beat Ronnie O'Sullivan in a race to 2 in snooker.
But thousands of pool players can beat Shane in a race to 2 on a 7ft table.
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Oh... here we go with the Ronnie/Shane stuff... *yawn*

Why des every thread have to turn into a Ronnie or Shane debate????
 
It's a snooker vs pool popularity thing and why pro pool is not on live tv in the USA
You are missing the point, you can replace the names of the top players it doesn't matter
 
I agree that 9/10 ball is better on a 9 footer. But 8 ball on a bar box is way more challenging than on a 9 footer.

I don't however agree with your rude comments

Jaden said:
7 footers is BULLSHIT!!!!!

That's just usbtc redux...

If it's not on 9 footers it's ****ing gay

Jaden

I've been a huge supporter of CSI but if this is what they come up with...**** THEM...
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Worminator said:
Oh... I apologize, I thought this thread was about US Open 10 Ball & 8 Ball and US pool in general. I didn't realize we were debating pool vs snooker.
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Maybe we should just play pool on a snooker table and stop all the debating. ;)
 
Joe_Jaguar said:
The US Open 1P has been around longer than that. It was run out of Kalamazoo for many years. Went to it a couple of times. Also they didn't hold it last year, right? And Mark in a podcast a few months back said there were no real plans to hold it this year.
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sounds like the US Open 1-Pocket might be held on barboxers in the future
 
one stroke said:
Let's not get to carried away ,, thier in it for the money plain and simple ,, and to maximize profits thier doing it on bar boxes ,, they can bring more in with less costs all across the board



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Don't care, crap idea.
 
Thread got old real quick. Same very vocal whiners as in most threads. The type to complain about water being wet, and making terrible anlogies.
 
itsfroze said:
It hurts, but yes I agree with you, sort of ! :)

Way more clusters and tighter position play.
But shots are more friendly. I don't know really if
tougher or just a different game than on 9 footers.

Going to 7 footers I think, is not the way to go though. IMO
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I think Ralf has a 8 ball. 26 pack on a bar box think that happens on a 9 footer


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How about having the tournament on the 8 Ball Miniclip app? The amateurs can play on their tablets because the screen will be bigger but the pros have to play on their phones... If they even have one of those.
 
Geez pros should be banned from playing on baby kid tables. As if it is not bad enough that they are stealing dead money from amateurs , bangers in tourneys now they stealing from baby tables.
What next ? Are pros going to steal lunch of those Junior tournaments soon ?
BTW, since 10 ball is great on 10 foot, 9 ball on 9 foot should 7 ball be played on 7 foot instead ? LOL
Whatever happened to 7 ball ? Is it dead ? I remember watching it on ESPN some years ago
 
jrhendy said:
The only recent positive I can think of for big table pool is DCC. This years events had more players in each event than the past few years and the Bigfoot event on 5 x 10' tables has become very popular.

Greg Sullivan is always thinking and working to make this event bigger and better and more changes are being considered for the future, including adding another event and other changes.

Without Greg and Mark Griffin, the only other promoters I can think of with any kind of success are Mike Zuglan's Joss Tour and Allen Hopkins Super Billiard Expo.

Like it or not, bar table tournaments have put more money in more players pockets every year than the big table events, and the trend will continue. You can run these in a pool room and many if these tournaments have very high payouts for the players. You can build your own customers base with league play and actually run a profitable business. The carrot for league play is the Bar Table Championships in Reno in March and the League Championships in Las Vegas in July.

I spent considerable time and $$ trying to revive a monthly hard copy pool publication here in California. We were very successful with it in the 90's and I thought I could revive it and grind out a small income. 'I'm on Facebook or I have a web page' was the most common answer when trying to get some support from the pool rooms. I was living in the past and so are you if you have blinders on about where pool is headed.

You always have a choice. If you don't support small table pool, support the big table events you have or get your small table game together. The smarter pool rooms are moving more small tables in all the time to increase their bottom line.
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The DCC is held with in a 5 hour drive of Chicago , Indianapolis , Columbus ,St. Louis , Cincinnati , Pittsburgh , Louisville , Nashville and many cities of 100 TO 300,000 people . This really cuts down on peoples costs. It is also close to the Diamond table factory and even if they didn't use Diamonds , Olhausen isn't far way.

The DCC is an extravaganza , a one off event , moving to smaller venues may rejuvenate big table pool .Traveling to Las Vegas for people from east of the Mississippi gets expensive for a working shortstop. The DCC is held in a prime location, people from cities like Kansas City , Milwaukee and Detroit are a days drive.
 
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