Why So Many Skids?

[Island Drive]

As some on here might know a little over two weeks ago I had new Simonis 860 put on my Gold Crown IV. And now I am getting skid after skid after skid.

Any idea what could be causing this?

r/DCP

It's what pro's deal with in Every major event when play starts, but as each hour passes conditions change and the ''slippery/skids'' subside. That's why in the finals of a major, it's best to use a table that's broken it, it allows a much higher quality of play for the viewers. Also, a table in the arena that's under high overhead camera lighting, also changes conditions ALLOT.

 

[maha]

try and stop putting slick chemicals on the table and balls.

 

[Bob Jewett]

So, is this thread about slippery, sliding balls or about bad cue ball to object ball contact? At least one person here is confused.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

So, is this thread about slippery, sliding balls or about bad cue ball to object ball contact? At least one person here is confused.

I think it's about not knowing the difference.

pj
chgo

 

[Tennesseejoe]

If it is about cue ball to object ball contact, then a question may be: did you change to a different chalk? And if yes, was it to Kamui?

 

[ideologist]

It's not a skid if you just miss.

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

So, is this thread about slippery, sliding balls or about bad cue ball to object ball contact? At least one person here is confused.

Bob,
Its about CB to OB contact. I have a lot of skids nowadays. Had the new cloth put on 2-3 weeks ago. Not sure if that's whats causing the skids or not.

Either way, I've never had this many skids before.

DCP

 

[Island Drive]

Bob,
Its about CB to OB contact. I have a lot of skids nowadays. Had the new cloth put on 2-3 weeks ago. Not sure if that's whats causing the skids or not.

Either way, I've never had this many skids before.

DCP

What was the last new cloth, 860? Was if virgin cloth or re-pulled?

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

What was the last new cloth, 860? Was if virgin cloth or re-pulled?

It was brand new Simonis 860.

 

[hang-the-9]

Are you talking about a skid the same way the rest of us are talking about skid? The cueball sliding a bit on draw, spin and follow shots is not what a "skid" is. A skid is when, on contact, the object ball jumps off the cueball a bit and heads off in some odd direction.

I just got new cloth on my new table a few months ago (Simonis 860 also) and have not seen any skids.

I think you are just using the wrong term here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

 

[pickngrin]

Nobody told you about the notorious English Green skid problem?

 

[Andrew Manning]

You say you've been cleaning it with a damp cloth; is that habit new? There's a certain amount of chalk in the cloth, and getting that chalk residue damp (with your cleaning) might be causing it to stick to the balls more, which might be giving you the skids.

-Andrew

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

Are you talking about a skid the same way the rest of us are talking about skid? The cueball sliding a bit on draw, spin and follow shots is not what a "skid" is. A skid is when, on contact, the object ball jumps off the cueball a bit and heads off in some odd direction.

I just got new cloth on my new table a few months ago (Simonis 860 also) and have not seen any skids.

I think you are just using the wrong term here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

For the 3rd time in this thread I am talking about a SKID. Like you describe, on contact the OB sort of hops/jumps and doesn't quite go where it should.

DCP

 

[Island Drive]

It was brand new Simonis 860.

I'm not the table mech, but I've heard you can pull cloth toooooooo tight'. Give it a month.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I'm not the table mech, but I've heard you can pull cloth toooooooo tight'. Give it a month.

I don't know what's causing the extraordinary ball/ball friction all of a sudden, but it's definitely not the cloth. It's extraordinary ball/ball friction.

pj <- did I mention ball/ball friction?
chgo

P.S. It's ball/ball friction.

P.P.S. If it's the cloth, why doesn't it happen on every shot?

 

[RussPrince]

like a cpl posts above maybe the cloth was pulled too tight

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If it is about cue ball to object ball contact, then a question may be: did you change to a different chalk? And if yes, was it to Kamui?

Or a new cue ball? Different cue balls collect chalk to different degrees. At my pool hall they use Centennial blue circle cue balls, which are not as glossy and collect noticeably more chalk than the red circle cue ball I carry . My measles cue ball also collects more chalk than the red circle (though not as much as the blue circles).

These aren't vague impressions - everybody who looks at them side by side agrees immediately.

pj
chgo

 

[dr_dave]

For the 3rd time in this thread I am talking about a SKID. Like you describe, on contact the OB sort of hops/jumps and doesn't quite go where it should.

All of the things that cause "skid" are described and demonstrated here:

cling/skid/kick resource page

As described on the page, cloth can have indirect effects on skid; however, the type of cloth or how it is installed can have absolutely no direct effect on the amount or frequency of skid.

Regards,
Dave

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

Or a new cue ball? Different cue balls collect chalk to different degrees. At my pool hall they use Centennial blue circle cue balls, which are not as glossy and collect noticeably more chalk than the red circle cue ball I carry . My measles cue ball also collects more chalk than the red circle (though not as much as the blue circles).

These aren't vague impressions - everybody who looks at them side by side agrees immediately.

pj
chgo

Interesting. My blue circle ball looks like it has the blue measles most of the time, and the smudges are very hard to get out by hand.

I don't get around much, and I've never tried a red circle CB. Is it true that they are "zingier" than the other balls in that they are easier to draw and move around the table? They would have to be considerately lighter for that to be the case, or maybe it's because they are shinier and create less friction against the cloth.

Just curious, because I know you'll give a logical and honest answer.

 

[Island Drive]

Interesting. My blue circle ball looks like it has the blue measles most of the time, and the smudges are very hard to get out by hand.

I don't get around much, and I've never tried a red circle CB. Is it true that they are "zingier" than the other balls in that they are easier to draw and move around the table? They would have to be considerately lighter for that to be the case, or maybe it's because they are shinier and create less friction against the cloth.

Just curious, because I know you'll give a logical and honest answer.

Red circle is lighter than the balls in the ball set of aramiths. The blue circle is most always the same weight as the ball set, and is a much better ball for 14.1 and churning thru the stack for the break shot.