Scott Frost vs Ronnie Allen in his prime

I can produce RELABLE FACTS on any thing I say! On the other hand YOU CAN"T!

I forgot about another guy, I'll have to try to get a hold of, Bill Stroud!

But, I'm sure Danny will be more than happy to give me some info, in light of YOU trying to KNOCK a source of his income along with several others past and present!


lol. You just impugned anything negative your star witness might have to say.

Lou Figueroa
 
Their claims are, HE beat and could beat certain players, I'm pretty sure is NOT true! What Bobby, Jay and Billy have to say is fine with me, but he couldn't beat and wasn't in the SAME league as some other players from Chicago, that's all!

This is a 'forum' anyone who is a member can post some input, as I have. If you don't like my post, DON'T read them or DON'T reply! it's really simple!

Someone else brought up the subject of trophies, I just added a funny story to it!


Give it a rest. Go find a 3C site or sumthin'.

Lou Figueroa
 
I'll see if Artie will get a hold of Ed, He's a reliable person!


Problem is *anything* coming through your filter on the subject of SJD is tainted. If someone has something to say about him let them come here and speak for themselves.

Lou Figueroa
 
Trophies do lie. Ask any league player that has a couple hundred of them stacked up in their basement :-)

And theres nothing wrong with promoting pool. There is a problem when your ego is so big that it sucks the air out of the room when you walk in and no one else can take a breath.

SJD is in the HOF. He was a known name player on the West Coast. He's entitled.

Many of us never heard of some of the players in Chicago, just like some guys in Chicago never heard of some of the players another parts of the country. Doesn't mean they couldn't play top speed pool and gambled with both hands.

Lou Figueroa

That's exactly what the players at HOB in Santa Monica say about YOU, Lou when YOU walk in that room the air quality seem to get a little stale, and in many other rooms around the country!

Maybe, a informative cartoon video would be more revealing! ;)
 
That's exactly what the players at HOB in Santa Monica say about YOU, Lou when YOU walk in that room the air quality seem to get a little stale, and in many other rooms around the country!

Maybe, a informative cartoon video would be more revealing! ;)

Which just goes to show that anyone can make up sheet-at about anyone.

I have heard plenty from friends and acquaintances from Chicago about you. I suggest you leave the personal attacks out of it ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Which just goes to show that anyone can make up sheet-at about anyone.

I have heard plenty from friends and acquaintances from Chicago about you. I suggest you leave the personal attacks out of it ;-)

Lou Figueroa

And this wasn't a personal attack?

Trophies do lie. Ask any league player that has a couple hundred of them stacked up in their basement :-)

And theres nothing wrong with promoting pool. There is a problem when your ego is so big that it sucks the air out of the room when you walk in and no one else can take a breath.

Maybe, YOU should take YOUR own advice! LOU!
 
And this wasn't a personal attack?

Trophies do lie. Ask any league player that has a couple hundred of them stacked up in their basement :-)

And theres nothing wrong with promoting pool. There is a problem when your ego is so big that it sucks the air out of the room when you walk in and no one else can take a breath.

Maybe, YOU should take YOUR own advice! LOU!


No. It was not a personal attack. I know nothing about what you have or have not done in the world of 3C. But I do know that trophies can lie and often represent boarder line accomplishments, I myself having thrown out dozens of pool trophies.

And the comment about ego was not about you.

Lou Figueroa
 
No. It was not a personal attack. I know nothing about what you have or have not done in the world of 3C. But I do know that trophies can lie and often represent boarder line accomplishments, I myself having thrown out dozens of pool trophies.

And the comment about ego was not about you.

Lou Figueroa

Lou, it seems like you live in a world of contradictions, --------> I have heard plenty from friends and acquaintances from Chicago about you.

When you get your story right, post again, love wasting your time!
 
Robert, these are the kinds of answers these two present when they have NO facts!

History books and historians rely on such facts for future generations! When a player can't supply such, they're REDUCED to being, once again, just a 'footnote' for ALL to remember!

Just as Billy I cleared up the that debacle regarding Artie and SJD, hopefully Danny D will shed some light on SJD vs Mecican Johnny!

P.S. Robert, around 20 years ago, I looked in my office at over 200 hundred trophies I'd accumulated over the years. I went an got the maintenance man with a cart to take them to the dumpster. We lived on the 55th floor at the time, they would of made WAY too much noise putting them down the garbage chute! LOL! Besides, I made WAY MORE money gambling at 3C than trophies!

You threw away over 200 trophys. Could have gave them to a B oys club or Special olympics org.
 
Lou, it seems like you live in a world of contradictions, --------> I have heard plenty from friends and acquaintances from Chicago about you.

When you get your story right, post again, love wasting your time!


There's nothing to get straight. I don't know about whatever you've done in the world of 3C. But people have told me about you and some of the things that happened while you were in Chicago.

Lou Figueroa
 
I don't believe Dick is interested in peddling any books or DVDs or bragging or beat list. Fats and Freddy were entertaining but neither were top players who could be SJD. As Mataya says in this video link, trophies don't spend! haha http://youtu.be/l6rkxYc7c5M?t=16s

Lenny, c'mon, you're better than this. I didn't knock anyone and I give SJD his props as player, he was a player just like Artie was a player. Why don't you tell SJD to stop knocking Artie and his game ? I'll wait for all those that ever beat Artie in 1Pckt to show up here and tell their tale... it will be a very small list, if there is even such a list.

I was only a teenager when I saw Artie play, and I still don't consider myself a gambler. Yes, I gamble, but not unless I have the best of it, pool, sports, whatever. Artie was a lock, and I made thousands of dollars as a teenager betting on Artie. Heck, my old man would have beat me if I didn't bet on him ;) Between Arties wins and me booking some of the horse players that would send me to the track to place their wagers, I did OK for someone who didn't gamble ;)

Yes, Freddy was a top banker, nobody disputes that. NOBODY other than some west coast guys who like to argue. Why should he not sell his books and DVD just like Frost or other guys. Nothing but great feedback for his DVD's on banking, especially the "banks that don't go, but do" series, very well received.

Billy's trophies didn't spend, he collected checks for his time in the 3C world, with some records that may never be broken. Heck, I didn't even know Billy was the reigning 3C Chicago champs for 7 years in a row back in the 70's, cause I only saw him play 9 ball...

SJD left the pool world, and it seems like it bothers him that others did not. Billy, Freddy and for the most part Artie never did. They never did the 9-5 thing and never will. Artie left pool only because he figured out how to make MUCH more money in Vegas betting in the casino's sports books.

Artie's life would make a great book/movie, and his system was genius in sports betting, to say the least. The casino's didn't like getting beat for MILLIONS and put a stop to that and had to play hard ball to stop it. He gives most every gambler on the planet the Orange Crush who won the MOST money gambling ALL time. There is NO disputing that one, none. My only regret was NOT going out to work for him when he went to Vegas, I went to college instead, but heck, I could have paid cash at UNLV if I did ;)
 
There's nothing to get straight. I don't know about whatever you've done in the world of 3C. But people have told me about you and some of the things that happened while you were in Chicago.

Lou Figueroa

Your twisting in the wind again over semantics, Lou!

The same way MANY people have heard of your actions in St. Louis and Santa Monica. to name a couple!
;)
 
No. It was not a personal attack. I know nothing about what you have or have not done in the world of 3C. But I do know that trophies can lie and often represent boarder line accomplishments, I myself having thrown out dozens of pool trophies.

And the comment about ego was not about you.

Lou Figueroa

C'mon Lou... man, when you guys hate, you really hate. Billy has some big wins in 3C and some incredible records that may never be broken, there is NOTHING borderline in what he has done in 3C, and you seem childish to suggest otherwise.
Heck, he won the Chicago championship like 7 times in a row when he was in his early 20's. That was just his start.... so c'mon, lets grow up a little.

I understand folks having concerns with accomplishments like Arties and SJD's because they don't have the tournament wins, or prestige that went along with them, so that's why we have forums to hash it out and insult one another.
 
Your twisting in the wind again over semantics, Lou!

The same way MANY people have heard of your actions in St. Louis and Santa Monica. to name a couple!
;)


I'm fine with my rep. And what I have done pales in comparison to what you have :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
C'mon Lou... man, when you guys hate, you really hate. Billy has some big wins in 3C and some incredible records that may never be broken, there is NOTHING borderline in what he has done in 3C, and you seem childish to suggest otherwise.
Heck, he won the Chicago championship like 7 times in a row when he was in his early 20's. That was just his start.... so c'mon, lets grow up a little.

I understand folks having concerns with accomplishments like Arties and SJD's because they don't have the tournament wins, or prestige that went along with them, so that's why we have forums to hash it out and insult one another.


RJ, really and truly I wasn't suggesting anything and have no knowledge of whatever he's done in the game. I don't follow 3C and certainly not regional 3C.

Lou Figueroa
 
Freddy suffered from one other illness, most TRUE Italians are afflicted with it!
'Italian Alzheimer's,' 'WE NEVER forgive and we NEVER forget!" That's how it was till the end for Freddy!

This is not a trait that should be bragged about in my opinion Bill. We all have our shortcomings and faults, but to state that you will never "forgive and forget" makes me and many other people uncomfortable.

Freddy had many great attributes and contributed immensely to the pool world; but I personally think that was one of Freddy's biggest faults. Right or wrong, that can't be corrected now. It's in the past.

As for Dick, I don't think he subscribes to that logic. He and Beard may have had their differences but they did make amends several times. And, from what I've read, Dick was usually on the giving end.

I wish you guys could drop some of your animosity towards each other for the sake of the game and the character and wholesomeness of this site.

I respect both of you guys accomplishments and careers and wish you the best.
 
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