Cuttung shots with inside english.and the contact point.

Tony_in_MD said:
Just like some boxers have faster hands than others.
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I agree. Having fast hands does move the weapon/tool faster for some, in most cases. Pool, yes, but in varying degrees in other sports.

The type of stroke plays an important role in the results, also. Buddy Hall has a more deliberate stroke, and still seems to get quite a bit of spin on the rock.

Probably, the mark of a good player is the ability to balance the speed of the stroke with the spin applied to get the maximum movement out of the cue ball.

Best,
Mike
 
You have seen Alan Hopkins stroke then?

Going by the premise stated by some here, he should not be able to move the cueball around the table with his stroke.


Mikjary said:
I agree. Having fast hands does move the weapon/tool faster for some, in most cases. Pool, yes, but in varying degrees in other sports.

The type of stroke plays an important role in the results, also. Buddy Hall has a more deliberate stroke, and still seems to get quite a bit of spin on the rock.

Probably, the mark of a good player is the ability to balance the speed of the stroke with the spin applied to get the maximum movement out of the cue ball.

Best,
Mike
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Table conditions are important as well.

I spoke to him years ago at a show he put on where I lived, I asked him specifically before the start of the show about that draw shot and wanted him to perform it. Not on this table was his response.

BTW it was the 2 table length draw shot.....


Mikjary said:
Very powerful. He knows how to get some stuff! :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnxQWe_OTg

Best,
Mike
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Massey Draw Shot analysis

Though I am not a fan of the way the AO conducts his business, this analysis of Mikes draw shot has been out on youtube for some time. I am really surprised that the same old discussions take place about it to this day.

You have to drop your elbow....blah...blah....blah

You have to follow through far....blah....blah....blah......

You cannot do this with a pendulum stroke.....blah....blah....blah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GsRIPSTWfo&spfreload=10
 
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Tony_in_MD said:
You have seen Alan Hopkins stroke then?

Going by the premise stated by some here, he should not be able to move the cueball around the table with his stroke.
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Sure, I have. One of the most talented players in history and yet he does everything different from almost everybody else. He might have been a great neurosurgeon if he wasn't playing pool. :grin:

Best,
Mike
 
ENGLISH! said:
When you say keep the speed the same in the part that I highlighted, do you mean the actual cue speed or the speed of the biomechanical delivery of the cue?
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I don't know what the difference is. What's "the speed of the biomechanical delivery of the cue", and how can it be different from the speed of the cue itself?

pj
chgo
 
DTL said:
Exactly. What determines the results after tip contact is the tip speed at contact, angle/direction of the cue at contact, and where the tip hits the CB. He had maybe a 2-3 inch follow through on most shots but could draw the ball with the best of them.......due to speed generated by a wrist snap no doubt.
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I've often thought that one of these spring-loaded cues could demonstrate that any CB action can be achieved with any length of follow through.

The only problem with a short follow through is what you have to do to stop it.

pj
chgo
 
It only knows

A.S.S.

Has it been covered? :)

DTL said:
Only speed that matters is the tip speed. How it gets there from a bio-mechanical standpoint - with a pendulum stoke, piston stroke, punch stroke, jab stroke, other - the CB doesn't know or care.
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Mikjary said:
Sure, I have. One of the most talented players in history and yet he does everything different from almost everybody else. He might have been a great neurosurgeon if he wasn't playing pool. :grin:

Best,
Mike
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Mike,

I'm just curious. Do you know if Hopkins' grip was/is loose or more firm like CJ's?

B,
Rick
 
LAMas said:
Yup,
I saw that years ago...still good and some lurkers (1,600 hits) will see it for the first time.
His elbow drops about 4 inches before contact.

Be well
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Definitely an eye opener. What a stroke! :grin:

Best,
Mike
 
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