Video evidence that Cyclop is garbage

itsfroze said:
The TROLL who used to work spinning (lying) for the Gov. Save your challenge, I'm not going to bother going back
looking for anything you've said in the past, as I could hardly stomach reading your dribble the first time.

Plenty of people have seen you do it enough, and you will continue to do so, so if
anyone cares, which I doubt. They can read your current dribble.
You are what you are Lou a Troll.

PS.
You can have the last word, as you're starting to bore me.
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If you can say off the top of your head that I never find fault with anything CSI does you must have had specific instances in mind. Or was that just something else you pulled out of your arse?

Lou Figueroa
sounds like
a pretty good guess
 
itsfroze said:
You don't see this kind of roll off with top of the line Centennials or Arimith balls.
I guess their quality control comes a lot closer to 100% as we have watched these
brands being used for years and haven't seen any of this nonsense.

Where in the short time frame Cyclop balls have been out we've seen quite a bit of this.
There's a reason there have been so many threads and posts about Cycop balls.
People aren't posting about Cyclop balls for sport, as you would lead people to believe.

So yes Cyclop quality control is FAR FROM 100%, that is obvious.
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Over my years of playing pool I have seen plenty of balls roll off or that were chipped. Most pool players have. Some were Centennials, some Aramiths, some other brands.

You need to get out more from underneath your bridge.

Lou Figueroa
 
itsfroze said:
No one is talking about chipped balls rolling off everybody knows that, well except
for you Lou (the troll), try to keep up.


I'll still go with this.
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Originally Posted by itsfroze View Post
You don't see this kind of roll off with top of the line Centennials or Arimith balls.
I guess their quality control comes a lot closer to 100% as we have watched these
brands being used for years and haven't seen any of this nonsense.

Where in the short time frame Cyclop balls have been out we've seen quite a bit of this.
There's a reason there have been so many threads and posts about Cycop balls.
People aren't posting about Cyclop balls for sport, as you would lead people to believe.

So yes Cyclop quality control is FAR FROM 100%, that is obvious.
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OK, let's take a moment to work on our reading comprehension skills.

What I said was that I had seen balls roll off or that were chipped. That would mean two separate situations.

Pool balls, of all brands, have been rolling off since the game was invented. The only difference is that now we have the Internet and pool forums, so things are being talked about nowadays that weren't discussed before. And if you don't believe that, just look at the front page of this forum and take a look at the who was the best looking pool player thread.

Lou Figueroa
 
I just finished playing at our BCA State tournament 13 days ago. CSI/Diamond supplied us with brand new Diamond bar boxes and Cyclops TV balls. Although I do not care for the skittle colored balls, it has nothing to do with the quality of the product, which as far as I am concerned was first class. There were no complaints of any funny rolls from anyone that I heard for the duration of the tournament.
My guess what is happening here is that somebody saw a funny roll, it happened to a pro, maybe even on video, so now everyone is scrutinizing Cyclops balls and blowing every little funny roll out of proportion no matter how slight and blaming the ball. Who here has not seen a cue ball take a funny roll on its very last revolution? I know that I see it frequently, especially on bar tables that may not be the cleanest. I have seen it on my table which is clean, and I have seen it with both my Centennials and my Aramith set, both of which are less than 2 years old. I will soon be adding a Cyclops set to my others, I played with them and played well and I have seen no evidence of faulty manufacturing, at least nothing that I do not see with my Centennials, Aramiths, or my 3 red circle and measle cues balls. If the Cyclops are defective it means that I have 6 other cue balls that are defective from various manufacturers also.
 
itsfroze said:
Okay, let me be clear about this so you can understand.
Over let's say the time that Cyclop balls have been out the number of threads and posts about
problems with them has been many, on the other hand it's very hard to remember
(in fact I can't remember any threads) about top of the line products such as Centennials or Arimith
balls having lots of problems as compared to the inferior (and I say inferior by the number of complaints) Cyclop balls.

Is that hard for you to understand. They didn't stop using the other brands because
there were problems with the product, as they should with Cyclop.
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Really?

People used to complain about raised numbers/cats-eyes on the Centenials.

And as I've already said, because there's now a place to do it, people talk about all kinds of things they never did before. Every pool player has seen all kinds of balls roll off. We just have a place to talk about it now.

Lou Figueroa
 
I also think that if there is indeed a problem with the Cyclop balls beyond what occurs with other top sets and they are having some manufacturing issue, it could well be because they are a newer product than say the Super Pros and Centennials, where there have been many years to perfect their process.

Gideon<----hates the skittles colouring; never played with the Cyclop.
 
I have been staying away from this topic and thread but the clear edge on cue balls MUST hurt center edge aiming and those players that utilize it.
 
For those who want a systematic way to measure the balance of a ball, whether cue ball or object ball, here is one:

Mark a small arrow on the ball with a pencil. Place a chalk or some other target in the middle of the far end cushion. From slightly beyond the spot, shoot six lag shots with plain follow straight up and down the center of the table with the following six positions for the arrow:

1. arrow on top of the ball pointed up the table
2. arrow on top of the ball pointed back at you
3. arrow on top of the ball pointed to the left
4. arrow on top of the ball pointed to the right
5. arrow on the extreme left side of the ball pointing anywhere
6. arrow on the extreme right side of the ball pointing anywhere

Only count a shot if the cue ball stops within two diamonds of the second end rail and without touching it, you hit near your target on the far rail, and there is minimum wobble of the arrow. (Wobble means you put side spin on the ball.)

On each shot, note how far from the centerline of the table and to which side the cue ball stops.

If all the shots end up 5 inches to the left, the table is crooked. Level the table. The ball is perfect.

If some of the arrow positions end up 5 inches to the left and the complementary arrow positions end up 5 inches to the right, the ball is broken. Throw it away or get a warranty replacement.

You can use a ramp rather than shooting the ball, but some people lag well enough that a ramp is not needed.

If you get inconsistent results, shoot more shots and take an average.

I think a ball shot at a given speed in a given direction should end up within a ball of the same final position regardless of how the ball is turned, and that if the ball is off more than that it needs to be replaced. But then, I'm picky sometimes.

(For the physicists among you, it's obvious that I'm measuring three orthogonal vector components of imbalance of the ball. It should be easy to determine from those three values the worst-case orientation of the cue ball for roll-off. It should also be obvious how to orient a measured ball for a lag which will have no roll-off.)

This test does not measure well problems related to the ball not being a sphere. There are lots of ways a ball might not be spherical. It could be egg-shaped. As mentioned above, the eyes (white spots where the numbers are) could bulge out as many of the brand new balls at the 1976 World Championships did. The ball might have flat spots. Some of those problems can be found by measuring a bunch of diameters or by using an accurate, round gauge hole. I think it is possible for a ball to have all equal diameters but not be round, in the same way that a near-circle can have all equal diameters but not be a circle.

The problem that's under discussion seems to be that the ball is round but the center of gravity is not in the geometrical center. If someone wants to send me a problem ball, I could measure it. I have round gauge holes that are +-0.005 and +-0.002 inches which can detect most of the problems and did detect the WC problem mentioned above.
 
Thank you for a very intelligent answer to my question earlier Bob, much appreciated.

Bob Jewett said:
For those who want a systematic way to measure the balance of a ball, whether cue ball or object ball, here is one:

Mark a small arrow on the ball with a pencil. Place a chalk or some other target in the middle of the far end cushion. From slightly beyond the spot, shoot six lag shots with plain follow straight up and down the center of the table with the following six positions for the arrow:

1. arrow on top of the ball pointed up the table
2. arrow on top of the ball pointed back at you
3. arrow on top of the ball pointed to the left
4. arrow on top of the ball pointed to the right
5. arrow on the extreme left side of the ball pointing anywhere
6. arrow on the extreme right side of the ball pointing anywhere

Only count a shot if the cue ball stops within two diamonds of the second end rail and without touching it, you hit near your target on the far rail, and there is minimum wobble of the arrow. (Wobble means you put side spin on the ball.)

On each shot, note how far from the centerline of the table and to which side the cue ball stops.

If all the shots end up 5 inches to the left, the table is crooked. Level the table. The ball is perfect.

If some of the arrow positions end up 5 inches to the left and the complementary arrow positions end up 5 inches to the right, the ball is broken. Throw it away or get a warranty replacement.

You can use a ramp rather than shooting the ball, but some people lag well enough that a ramp is not needed.

If you get inconsistent results, shoot more shots and take an average.

I think a ball shot at a given speed in a given direction should end up within a ball of the same final position regardless of how the ball is turned, and that if the ball is off more than that it needs to be replaced. But then, I'm picky sometimes.

(For the physicists among you, it's obvious that I'm measuring three orthogonal vector components of imbalance of the ball. It should be easy to determine from those three values the worst-case orientation of the cue ball for roll-off. It should also be obvious how to orient a measured ball for a lag which will have no roll-off.)

This test does not measure well problems related to the ball not being a sphere. There are lots of ways a ball might not be spherical. It could be egg-shaped. As mentioned above, the eyes (white spots where the numbers are) could bulge out as many of the brand new balls at the 1976 World Championships did. The ball might have flat spots. Some of those problems can be found by measuring a bunch of diameters or by using an accurate, round gauge hole. I think it is possible for a ball to have all equal diameters but not be round, in the same way that a near-circle can have all equal diameters but not be a circle.

The problem that's under discussion seems to be that the ball is round but the center of gravity is not in the geometrical center. If someone wants to send me a problem ball, I could measure it. I have round gauge holes that are +-0.005 and +-0.002 inches which can detect most of the problems and did detect the WC problem mentioned above.
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Interesting how the vocal minority who have had problems are trying to make it seem like these problems are a regular occurrence, instead of a few isolated incidents. The vocal minority on here really seems to enjoy doing that in order to get their way.
 
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