Fear of Feel

Hi Anthony.

I know the answer as do you.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick


Its obvious..:)

And as far as this thread goes its silly. Fear of feel...:confused:
Now if he would've of posted...you ever been scared to shoot...been there.;)
My feel wasn't there and I feared any shot.

Wait a minute..I do have a fear of feel....losing it.:smile:
 
This was a 'Fear of Feel' Thread not a CTE thread.

As for CTE,

I'm involved because I've concluded, as have others, that Stan's CTE is NOT 'a 100% totally objective system' for aiming all of the pool shots on a pool table.

I think that affirmation could quite easily pull individuals into wasting their time thinking they are getting something that they are not. If that affirmation were stopped or amended I would probably not be in CTE threads unless there was a new development of some kind.

If you think CTE is 100% totally objective, I understand its nature better than you do.

You distort the suggestion that was made & I've asked for a clarification when that was brought up a while back.

Due to statements another member made I asked him, not you, a question.

You jumped in with an implied insult & look where it's gone.

Trolling by Neil?

3 is a pretty good number. So, for the 3rd. time a wish for Blessings to come your way.

So, you ever going to answer my question about your statement? WHO said it was 100% objective? And, what part isn't objective? As far as insults go, I don't bother implying them like you do. If and when I insult someone, it is clear, which you should know by now. Not my fault that you always read insults where there aren't any just because that's what you always do on here, that is, imply insults.

You haven't added a single thing to this thread on the topic of CTE other than to insult, mock, defame, slander, outright lie, and trying to set word traps. Nice contributions there, Rick.
 
Then why don't you try actually adding something to the conversation, or are you just going to sit there saying "I know, I know, but I ain't tellin' " like a little kid?:rolleyes:

Or, are you just trying your best to sound like you know something without having to actually know it and prove it?

How many times when you suggested you had the answer to a question & I actually did ask you to then please explain, did you come back with some smart ass answer as to why you would not do so?

Now you came at me with this. I was going to ask you a question here but I realized that I would just be feeding the troll.

Also, I've never seen another individual that distorts matters by putting their words into the mouths of others as much as you do.

You have a good evening & I'm sorry that my wishes for those Blessings did not show up for you.

PS My answer to Anthony's question is subjectivity or in a word of this thread 'Feel'. It's when you 'feel' that it looks right. There is no objective visual for the 'in between' shots.

PSS You can now say whatever you like. There will not be any further real conversation between us tonight. But I might quote another response made to you by another earlier.

PSSS I think many 'lurkers' can see the reality of how things go south & from what direction that is promoted.
 
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So, you ever going to answer my question about your statement? WHO said it was 100% objective? And, what part isn't objective? As far as insults go, I don't bother implying them like you do. If and when I insult someone, it is clear, which you should know by now. Not my fault that you always read insults where there aren't any just because that's what you always do on here, that is, imply insults.

You haven't added a single thing to this thread on the topic of CTE other than to insult, mock, defame, slander, outright lie, and trying to set word traps. Nice contributions there, Rick.

See post 923
 
How many times when you suggested you had the answer to a question & I actually did ask you to then please explain, did you come back with some smart ass answer as to why you would not do so?

Now you came at me with this. I was going to ask you a question here but I realized that I would just be feeding the troll.

Also, I've never seen another individual that distorts matters by putting their words into the mouths of others as much as you do.

You have a good evening & I'm sorry that my wishes for those Blessings did not show up for you.

PS My answer to Anthony's question is subjectivity or in a word of this thread 'Feel'. It's when you 'feel' that it looks right. There is no objective visual for the 'in between' shots.

PSS You can now say whatever you like. There will not be any further real conversation between us tonight. But I might quote another response made to you by another earlier.

PSSS I think many 'lurkers' can see the reality of how things go south & from what direction that is promoted.

Well, if you are finally done posting, my blessings did show up! Thanks!

(way to weasel out of answering the questions yet again;))
 
Its obvious..:)

And as far as this thread goes its silly. Fear of feel...:confused:
Now if he would've of posted...you ever been scared to shoot...been there.;)
My feel wasn't there and I feared any shot.

Wait a minute..I do have a fear of feel....losing it.:smile:

I call it leprosy in my arm & I swing it around a few times & then I play my way out of it or..I guess I should say I play my way INTO it... better feel that is.

Best 2 ya,
Rick
 
See post 923

Why? You didn't answer the questions, and you surely didn't add anything about CTE other than your lack of knowledge about it. Plus, you added insults and lied. Thank you for proving my point yet again.
 
Well, if you are finally done posting, my blessings did show up! Thanks!

(way to weasel out of answering the questions yet again;))

See post 923.

Neil puts his words into the mouth of another again. Where did I say I was done posting?

If I wanted to play his type of games, I might say something along the lines that his reading comprehension is extremely lacking.

Best 2 All, including Neil.
 
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So, you ever going to answer my question about your statement? WHO said it was 100% objective? And, what part isn't objective? As far as insults go, I don't bother implying them like you do. If and when I insult someone, it is clear, which you should know by now. Not my fault that you always read insults where there aren't any just because that's what you always do on here, that is, imply insults.

You haven't added a single thing to this thread on the topic of CTE other than to insult, mock, defame, slander, outright lie, and trying to set word traps. Nice contributions there, Rick.


Your kidding right? Did you just not post about shifting on the same visuals as the shot becomes thinner? post 876. Sounds subjective to me.
 
Your kidding right? Did you just not post about shifting on the same visuals as the shot becomes thinner? post 876. Sounds subjective to me.

That is subjective. But, your initial alignment is not a part of the actual aiming system. You do that for any shot. You can't call getting in the rough spot to make a shot a part of an aiming system any more than you can say that bending down to shoot is part of the aiming system. There are certain things that are "givens". Each and every little step should not have to be explained in minute detail.
 
Can you imagine Michael Jordan talking about his "ghost ball" system for making baskets?

All games require instinct to aim, it's just based on a referential index.

In pool it's "Center to Edge," "Edge to Center," or "Center to Center" (from there you can pivot to the quarters or in a variety of other ways).....there's no great mystery, it's the same in golf, there's an point of alignment, and a point of aim (they are not the same, except two angles).

In basketball there is only one sphere. Pool is unique in that we use 2 or more colliding spheres to ultimately realize our goal. Maybe it would be best to compare pool to croquet. Here's an example of using CTE in croquet...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLq6p6NKApk
 
Yes, I realize that.

So I've heard.

And I do this for all 5 shots, right? By the way, I thought Neil already spelt out the process (?). Let's put them side-by-side (figuratively speaking):



I don't see your 'Step 2' in Neil's instructions. I assume since Neil broke things down into more steps, then there will be some mapping that will have to be done. So, if you would just correlate the steps in Neil's 8 that go with your 'Step 2', that would be great. Actually, if you could do that for Steps 3 and 4 also, I would appreciate it.


I'm not sure I understand this. I already said I yielded. I don't know what more you're looking for.

If this is a, 'get the last word' kinda thing, I yield there, as well. Just say the word.

- s.west

Neil's post was explaining how the perception can be different for each of the 5 shots.

My post explained the purpose of initially lining up center to center and how to find your visuals for a single shot.

Two entirely different posts that you think are somehow related. Further proving your lack of knowledge on the subject and/or reading comprehension.
 
See post 923.

Neil puts his words into the mouth of another again. Where did I say I was done posting?

If I wanted to play his type of games, I might say something along the lines that his reading comprehension is extremely lacking.

Best 2 All, including Neil.

PSS You can now say whatever you like. There will not be any further real conversation between us tonight.


You said it right there. Maybe you should get someone to take notes for you. Unless, by "real conversation" you simply meant that you would still insult me and/or CTE, but didn't want a reply. Just you talking. And you accuse me of games. Grow up Rick.
 
That is subjective. But, your initial alignment is not a part of the actual aiming system.Yes it is You do that for any shot. You can't call getting in the rough spot to make a shot a part of an aiming system Yes you can any more than you can say that bending down to shoot is part of the aiming system. There are certain things that are "givens". Each and every little step should not have to be explained in minute detail.


Also note acquiring your visuals for this shift, feel plays a big part . When one can tell that the shot is a thinner cut and a shift is required ,as you put it. (a lot of trouble here,especially on the tougher shots)

Its good that one of you cte guys is starting to open the door for the truth. :)
Feel,adjusting,its supposed to be there.

Anthony
 
1. You have 5 shots set up.

2. In each situation, each shot, you will not be standing in the exact same relationship to the cb/ob. But, you will instead be shifting over a little as each angle gets steeper.

3. Each time you move over, you are now looking at a different edge on the cb/ob. It is not the same spot you saw before you moved.

4. From the rough line up, you can now be in the proper position to see the correct visuals for the shot at hand.

5. These rough visuals are now looking at a different part of the ob/cb than you were the previous shot angle.

6. I don't have the exact transcript of Stans statement on the video, so I can not fully reply to exactly what he said. I will say though, that he does shift his body over until he is in the correct place to properly see the correct visuals for the shot. (which is what I already described). He shifts over to get the proper perspective of the shot. Meaning, what does he want to do with the shot? Cut it, bank it, ect. He aligns to the proper perspective. Then, the CTE part comes into play. Meaning, the visuals and pivot or sweep.

7. Again, your initial lineup is a a rough line up. Same as in any other method of aiming. Once in your initial lineup, CTE allows one to fine tune that alignment to the actual shot line.

8. Also, by aligning center to center according to the strongest visual alignment, you are making sure you are seeing a straight line as a straight line. You are getting your head into the correct position to see a straight line as straight. Then he shifts over to the proper perspective for the shot.

I find using the same 15 degree perception, CB edge to OB A, CB center to OB edge, on all 5 shots, very difficult.

My rough line up CB edge to OB A is a 3/4 ball cut. My rough line up for CB center to OB edge is a 1/2 ball cut. Applying a 15 deg perception ETA/CTE kind of works for shots that fall close in the range of 3/4 to 1/2 ball cuts.

Cuts thinner than that, I cannot see the 15 deg perception ETA/CTE and make the ball. If I position myself to see that perception, the shots end up under cut.
 
I don't think anyone has ever made it clear, logically, how the five shot scenario is supposed to work without subconscious adjustments. And really, it shoulnd't be a problem for the aiming system as such, since people are being very successful with it. The problem is the obviously logically impossible claim that no such adjustments take place. CTE's strong point is the fixed relationship between the eyes and the cueball/object ball parts, but in this case it is also the downfall of some of it's claims, because no matter what gymnastics you do, you end up with the same relationships in the outlined scenario. For a cueball and object ball distance there is only one head position from which CTE/edge to A can be seen (this is the basis of all CTE aiming). This head postion is the same for the 5 shots mentioned (logically indisputable). How you arrive at this postion is immaterial (for the aiming). Of course as far as delivering a straight stroke, it is of vital importance, but this is not what we are discussing. If you tilt your head or vary the distances etc, then a new relationship is found. Unless the light beams somehow bend for you, this cannot be refuted. The difference has got be caused by something else.

I don't understand how you are coming up with your conclusions. You say that what I said isn't logical, but I feel that what you are saying isn't logical. Let me try it a different way so maybe you can understand the difference.

Place an ob in the dead center of the table. Now place the cb at the head spot of the table. Locate the edge of the cb to the edge of the ob. That gives you a finite spot on the ob.

Now, move the cb to the side pocket and do the same thing with it. You now have a different finite spot on the ob as the edge point.

That example was rather extreme, but it shows that as you move the cb, the edge point of the ob changes. Hopefully, we agree so far.

Now, with the ob still in center table. CB on the head spot again. Look at the cb/ob center to center and you will again have a finite edge point. Now, we want to bank the ob off the short rail to the far right corner pocket. To do that, you have to shift your aim line to the left of the ob. Agreed so far I hope. When you shift your alignment to the two balls, your body shifts (or at least should shift) with your cue.

As your body shifts over a little bit, you can now see a little more of one side of the ob, and a little less of the other side of the ob. Your edges have just changed position from where they were looking straight down the centers of the two balls. If you kept shifting, eventually you would get all the way around the ob.

So, you see, the edges do not remain the same. You are still looking at the edge of the ob, but as you shift your body over, the point that was the edge previously is no longer the edge.

You are still using center to edge and edge to A,B or C, but the actual point on the ob and the cb changes. Same visuals, but different results due to different perspective of the shot.
If you keep the same perspective on the shots, you will find that you will cut the nearest to the rail ball, and then bank the second from the rail ball. (on the 5 shot test) Your perspective has to change. Without the proper perspective, the system won't work, and neither will any other system.
 
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I find using the same 15 degree perception, CB edge to OB A, CB center to OB edge, on all 5 shots, very difficult.

My rough line up CB edge to OB A is a 3/4 ball cut. My rough line up for CB center to OB edge is a 1/2 ball cut. Applying a 15 deg perception ETA/CTE kind of works for shots that fall close in the range of 3/4 to 1/2 ball cuts.

Cuts thinner than that, I cannot see the 15 deg perception ETA/CTE and make the ball. If I position myself to see that perception, the shots end up under cut.

True, of the 5 shots, the last is the most difficult.
Not all visuals in the 15 category carry the same ease of acquisition.
The 5th shot is a tough shot for any player!
The fact is, though, the visual is there for the 5th shot. Yes, it's tougher to see, but it does exist.....and it is that visual that should be used in connecting with that tough cut across to that bottom left corner.
Your efforts in learning those 5 shots represent a nice little visual education for REAL CTE.
Thank you for your work. It is quite normal for some visuals to present difficulty, particularly in the early going.
Stan Shuffett
 
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