CJ defeats Earl and a Special Thanks to this Forum

Neil said:
Quick to clarify about hitting with the elbow? Are you kidding me? Did you even watch the video where Ronnie teaches it? Ronnie was advocating a (are you sitting down?) PENDULUM stroke! Strange how you are so quick to defend the nonsense on here.
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That's you post about the elbow thing.

I know what video was brought up.

As I said, I don't know if those were the words of Mr. O'Sullivan to which CJ was referring or not.

When it was brought up, CJ quickly clarified that he was not speaking literally.

I think the general readership is intelligent enough to know that CJ was not speaking literally.

I also think that they are intelligent enough to see a 'witch hunt' when they see one.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
That's you post about the elbow thing.

I know what video was brought up.

As I said, I don't know if those were the words of Mr. O'Sullivan to which CJ was referring or not.

When it was brought up, CJ quickly clarified that he was not speaking literally.

I think the general readership is intelligent enough to know that CJ was not speaking literally.

I also think that they are intelligent enough to see a 'witch hunt' when they see one.
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Did you not just read the post right above yours? Did anyone besides you say that he was speaking literally? NO. The only witch hunt is in your own head. Quit throwing up red herrings in a feeble attempt to defend what you should be questioning.
 
no other way to experience new things in life if we're not willing to sacrifice old

GoldenFlash said:
By golly that is EXACTLY RIGHT. That's what he did. That's what Billy and Danny did also.
I never knew the "why" of it working and I don't think they did either....and didn't really care.
Pro flychasers in the outfield of baseball, (when it was real), didn't know WHY a ball would ricochet to the same area over and over again off certain advertising signs out there but they just knew if they headed on the run to those areas they would have a good chance of getting it on the bounce and nail that runner trying to turn the corner at second and make a triple out of a double.
Those pool champions just knew it made the balls go into the pockets easier and would GET THE CASH.
There is a sentence you stated in your video....."this method will get the cash, the other stuff is guesswork".
A very powerful and important comment and, as usual, overlooked by the unwashed masses.
Consistently doing the same thing, over and over and over for HOURS....until the opponent's 'guesswork' or 'feelings' begin to breakdown and he starts missing or making bad judgments.
Smoke in the eyes, sick at the stomach, tired, intimidated, urinary tract inflamed, wife or gf mad, travelling light, toothache, car running on 'maypops', doesn't matter....it just keeps on punching the balls in the pockets.
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That's right, it was Wade Crane that helped me refine my game back in the mid 90s. He was hanging out at my pool room every day and I was very interested in how the older champions, especially Luther Lassiter, played at some tremendous levels. Wade even broke with a 'Touch of Inside' and was considered to have the best break in the world. The reason is simple, and it's all about expanding the margin of error at the only place possible - THE CUE BALL.

The cue ball is the only thing we directly tough to influence the rest of the game. This is profound because we can increase the margin of error by understanding how to target one side of center - Wade Crane knew it.....so did Luther......and so does Efren.

Now those that have "eyes that can see" know it too......it just takes the willingness to forget old ideas, beliefs and attitudes and the door to news ones will open. There's really no other way to experience new things in life if we're not willing to sacrifice the old ones. 'The Game is Our Teacher'
 
CJ Wiley said:
Mocking science? Like the current "global warming," or the "global cooling" of the 70s and 80s? There's many things that science has been wrong on through the years, however, I would need an example to respond to your accusations.

I've seen Randy G. about 5 times in the last 15 years, does that classify us as "buds"? You keep bringing his name up like it has some baring on your opinions? Are you two partners, or do you work for him teaching pool? I still don't really know who you are.

I understand the physics and geometry very well, and would be glad to respond to any specific question you may have. There is nothing I've ever done that violates physics, despite what you seem to believe. Everything I can do on a pool table I could teach you, if you had the willingness to put your old ideas, beliefs, and attitudes on a shelf.

'The Game is our Teacher'
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You say you are more than willing to help with any questions. Yet, after DTL questioned some of your statements, all you have is 8 or 9 posts all in response to those that praised you. Of which almost all have a considerable amount of bragging in them and no substance. Nothing on the issues raised. I take it you aren't about to have a discussion about the points raised.
 
CJ Wiley said:
He used this like I use the TOI to the center or edge of the object ball. He would line up the red to the center, for instance, then turn the line towards the inside.....the more he turned it to the inside, the more the object ball would cut. This is how we use the visual illusion of the shot to our benefit. This is something that must be shown in person, in writing it sounds "too good to be true," TOI is too good to be true, that's why many won't believe it. LoL

Some players use the inside of the ferrule, as long as it's to the "Touch of Inside" of the cue ball it works....it brings in the side of the cue ball that will actually create the angle.
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Do you put a certain part of your right foot on the shot line for all shots? It's ingrained automatically by now, but like the elbow analogy, do you make it part of your PSR?

Best,
Mike
 
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DTL said:
Mike

I have nothing against you.:) But given the recent direction this thread has taken, the above question is an obvious attempt to help a wounded poster. At least it's nothing like what we have to put up with when trying to read through ENGLISH's painfully long, nonsensical rants.

Hope you're doing well.


DTL

ps CJ doesn't "hit with the elbow"......that's a pendulum stroke, something he has frequently scoffed at on here.
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Think about what you just said..."wounded poster." Is that what this forum does to people?

My purpose was to get past the attacks and get back to some kind of discussion, whatever it takes. I think you're basically a nice guy, but I can't understand your obsession with CJ. It is way beyond a debate at this point.

This thread started out fine and became dominated with CJ baiting. He's obviously not having any of it, so why don't we move on? You're a top player. Why argue with him? Put out some info we can all use. I know you got some. If you guys disagree, that's life. Let's talk about something else. Thanks for listening. :cool:

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
Think about what you just said..."wounded poster." Is that what this forum does to people?

My purpose was to get past the attacks and get back to some kind of discussion, whatever it takes. I think you're basically a nice guy, but I can't understand your obsession with CJ. It is way beyond a debate at this point.

This thread started out fine and became dominated with CJ baiting. He's obviously not having any of it, so why don't we move on? You're a top player. Why argue with him? Put out some info we can all use. I know you got some. If you guys disagree, that's life. Let's talk about something else. Thanks for listening. :cool:

Best,
Mike
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Why is it that anytime someone ask for clarification, or dares to disagree with what he states, you have to see it as an attack? If you want obsession with CJ, you are looking at the wrong people. It's not baiting at all, it's honest questions. Questions that he refuses to answer for the obvious reasons. Since when has this changed from a discussion forum to a "what ever CJ says is correct" forum?
 
Neil said:
Why is it that anytime someone ask for clarification, or dares to disagree with what he states, you have to see it as an attack? If you want obsession with CJ, you are looking at the wrong people. It's not baiting at all, it's honest questions. Questions that he refuses to answer for the obvious reasons. Since when has this changed from a discussion forum to a "what ever CJ says is correct" forum?
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Another CJ thread and guess who's posted the most posts in it? You don't want a discussion. You just want to derail it and get CJ's goat. free-fighting-smileys-316.gif

Best,
Mike
 
DTL said:
"wounded"........you're right, probably a poor choice of words. Would you go for, slightly exposed?:)

Maybe I have too much time on my hands being retired.

He was once a top player and like I said before, he no doubt can help people with their games. But it irks me a little with all the BS, mumbo-jumbo, psychobable, and such used to further DVD sales/personal instruction. Why not just be straight up?......people seem to like him enough already. Probably an ego thing, I guess.

Other people have have been critical of him too, guess it was my turn. I'll try to ease off.......hopefully I've made my point. I do wish him luck with the ESPN thing.


DTL
everyone finish the rest of your popcorn, this show is over
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I too, sincerely wish him luck with anything that promotes the game of pool !..I am however, concerned that this has not yet come to fruition, after two years of optimistic promises ? :confused:
 
Mikjary said:
Another CJ thread and guess who's posted the most posts in it? You don't want a discussion. You just want to derail it and get CJ's goat. View attachment 382801

Best,
Mike
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Right, that's exactly why I pointed out that he is not discussing things that people have questions about. :rolleyes: Try READING! But, I see you follow your leader well, you didn't answer a single question I asked you either, instead, just lied about what I posted.

I just checked, I have a whopping six more posts than you do. Just another diversionary attack tactic by you. Sad.
 
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Neil said:
Right, that's exactly why I pointed out that he is not discussing things that people have questions about. :rolleyes: Try READING! But, I see you follow your leader well, you didn't answer a single question I asked you either, instead, just lied about what I posted.

I just checked, I have a whopping six more posts than you do. Just another diversionary attack tactic by you. Sad.
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Well, there's only one thing I can recommend...

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Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
Not really. If you feel that's true, then that's good with me. I welcome opinions respectfully submitted. :cool:

Best,
Mike
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It's been pointed out numerous times, it's not an opinion. He continues to show a complete disregard for truth, honesty and clarity.
 
You can pound this puppy all you want , but there's only one common denominator not just in pool but any game or sport , 1000s of hours of practice and playing , period end of story
Example Walt Hriniak. considered one of the best batting coaches of all time teaches a open stance hitting for average and Charlie Lau teaching of Ted Williams style of full rotation , who coached George Brett to many batting titles differ dramatically but both methods work very well ,, just like Mike S with A touch of outside and CJ with a Touch of inside neither one got there with out 1000s of hours of play and practice

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This movement requires "clearing the hips," making sure they are in control.

Mikjary said:
Do you put a certain part of your right foot on the shot line for all shots? It's ingrained automatically by now, but like the elbow analogy, do you make it part of your PSR?

Best,
Mike
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Yes, I set my right foot behind the line of the shot, usually aligned with my ankle bone. Pool is a two sided game, however, both sides need to provide an adequate structure.

My main objective is to get my vision square to the the line, and set my body from there. It's like shooting a pistol, I want to see the line of the target naturally, then get my cue in front of my body so I can come down as centered as possible. This movement requires "clearing the hips," making sure they are controlling the head's movement, not the other way around.

Tonight I had some issues with this because I changed my workout routine and lifted some light weights. I thought it wouldn't make a difference, and was wrong. No big deal, I'll adjust this and get back on track. It's nice to move forward every day, however, there are some times that it's necessary to step back and evaluate....this is one of those days. 'The Game is my Teacher'
 
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