John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

So that's what you teach? Wherever you normally have it, just do it like you always do.


When did Pat Johnson become a professional teacher/instructor? Does he give live lessons on the table? Where does one go to get these lessons and how are they arranged? How much per hour or day?

I could care less about getting a lesson but I'd pay just to see the keyboard genius actually hitting balls into rails for a full hour. He'd probably pass it off as a lesson in one pocket or banks instead of pocketing balls.
 
Agreed.

The Vision Center is the Teacher.

You need to place your back foot and form your stance so your personal vision center ends up above the desired line of the shot. And for a center-ball hit, the cue should also be along this line.
cookie man:
And if its not a center ball hit than what do you recommend to do. Where should the cue be?
Dave:
...wherever it needs to be to compensate for squirt, swerve, and throw for that particular shot.
cookie man:
Wherever it needs to be. Pretty generic answer.
Patrick Johnson:
Wherever you normally have it for those shots (relative to your vision center), of course.
cookie man:
So that's what you teach? Wherever you normally have it, just do it like you always do.
Try to pay attention, cookie. This is about foot position, not cue position.

pj
chgo
 
When did Pat Johnson become a professional teacher/instructor?
Probably about the time you started playing.

Does he give live lessons on the table?
Not any more, although I get requests.

Where does one go to get these lessons and how are they arranged?
I taught at Northwestern (George Fels, Larry Schwartz and others have taught the same class) and gave private and group lessons at various places, including my home.

How much per hour or day?
Depends on the student's aptitude - you couldn't afford it.

I'd pay just to see the keyboard genius actually hitting balls
Make me an offer I can't refuse.

pj
chgo
 
The Vision Center is the Teacher.

You need to place your back foot and form your stance so your personal vision center ends up above the desired line of the shot. And for a center-ball hit, the cue should also be along this line.

Now, once one knows what foot position and stance results in the most consistent and accurate vision center and cue alignments, then the foot placement becomes the key.
And if its not a center ball hit than what do you recommend to do. Where should the cue be?
... wherever it needs to be to compensate for squirt, swerve, and throw for that particular shot.
Why would you compensate for these things?
... because these things are a reality when using sidespin. If one does not have either an intuitive or explicit understanding of squirt, swerve, and throw effects, one will not be accurate and consistent over a wide range of shots involving sidespin.

Now, most top players like yourself who have put in countless hours of practice and have countless hours of successful experience probably do this so naturally that it is subconscious (although, even pros aren't perfect when it comes to compensating for squirt, swerve, and throw). But for those who have not put in enough time to intuitively or subconsciously judge how to compensate over a wide range of shots, it can help to have a solid understanding of the effects. Also, IMO, this understanding can help speed the experience-based learning and intuition-building process.


This presents some serious problems and turns the contest into a "guessing game".
... it is only a "guessing game" if one doesn't understand and/or have an intuitive (and/or subconscious) feel for the important effects.


How do you compensate, at the cue ball, object ball, or in relationship to the pocket?
I compensate for throw at the OB (relative to the pocket), and I compensate for the combined effects of squirt and swerve (AKA "net CB deflection") at the CB (with my cue alignment relative to the desired line of the shot). How this is done is covered in detail in the "How to Aim Pool Shots" (HAPS) series. For the basics covering one method to adjust for net CB deflection, see:

NV E.2 - Back-Hand (BHE) and Front-Hand English (FHE), from HAPS I

Again, a top player like you doesn't need something like this because you have learned to do an equivalent version of this through your countless hours of play and experience. For the mere mortals out there who don't have the time, desire, or dedication to put in the countless hours, it can help to have some understanding and/or aim compensation "systems."

Regards with respect,
Dave
 
Wherever it needs to be. Pretty generic answer.
For a more specific answer, read my reply to CJ. And if you really want to know more detail, click on and review all of the material in all of the links I provided. And if you really want to learn and apply some of the techniques at the table, purchase HAPS and practice with the material.

Regards,
Dave
 
Probably about the time you started playing.

You only started playing one or two times a week about 20 years ago at the age of 47. You went from beginner to pro instructor immediately? Yep, sounds like you. Fyi, I've been playing more years than you since I started in my mid teens which brings it to 23 years on the table.

Not any more, although I get requests.

There's a sucker born every minute.

I taught at Northwestern (George Fels, Larry Schwartz and others have taught the same class) and gave private and group lessons at various places, including my home.

I remember Hal laughing when he said you taught a group of girls at a sorority or something like that. Great background and surely qualifies you as a pro instructor. LOL

Depends on the student's aptitude - you couldn't afford it.

I go to real pro instructors who teach pro players, not first year college girls as the highlight of their life.

Make me an offer I can't refuse.

pj
chgo

I think a publishing company would make a better offer to you than I would for your sensational autobiography and book titled "Pool Greatness Through Imagination".
 
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spidey "remembers":
I remember Hal laughing when he said you taught a group of girls at a sorority or something like that.
I'm not surprised that you "remember" things that didn't happen. It's how you roll.

pj
chgo
 
I'm not surprised that you "remember" things that didn't happen. It's how you roll.

pj
chgo

How did it happen and how do you remember it? Who did you teach and what level were they? Better question is what level were you 18-20 years ago when you first started playing pool and instructing kids at college since you've never been better than a C+ or B- player at your best which is probably right now over 65 years of age?
 
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Why bother to ask questions that you'll only misrepresent the answers to? It's quicker, easier and serves your purpose better to just continue making stuff up.

And it's what you do.

pj
chgo

Typical weasel job from you. Just provide the answers and proof. Solid proof can't be disputed, except you don't have any and I hit the nail on the head with facts and you're making stuff up.
 
For a more specific answer, read my reply to CJ. And if you really want to know more detail, click on and review all of the material in all of the links I provided. And if you really want to learn and apply some of the techniques at the table, purchase HAPS and practice with the material.

Regards,
Dave

Thanks, but i'll stick to advanced material.
 
For a more specific answer, read my reply to CJ. And if you really want to know more detail, click on and review all of the material in all of the links I provided. And if you really want to learn and apply some of the techniques at the table, purchase HAPS and practice with the material.
Thanks, but i'll stick to advanced material.
Well, if that's how you feel, than you probably shouldn't look at any of my stuff. You obviously won't benefit from any of it.

Regards,
Dave
 
Well, if that's how you feel, than you probably shouldn't look at any of my stuff. You obviously won't benefit from any of it.

Regards,
Dave

No offense but I really don't bother with your website. Last I checked there was a lot of joking material on there. I'm sure you have some decent stuff mixed in though, just not sure if it would qualify as advanced material.
 
The Ok Corrall approach to pool?

Well the JB vs Lou match didnt settle anything, Stan taking a hiatus doesnt seem to have settled anything either.

Where was the OK Corral?...lol
 
No offense but I really don't bother with your website. Last I checked there was a lot of joking material on there. I'm sure you have some decent stuff mixed in though, just not sure if it would qualify as advanced material.
With your vast knowledge of "advanced material" and your exceptional playing ability, it is a shame that you never share anything of value on this forum. It would be nice if you would actually try to share what you know rather than continue with your pattern of petty and negative posts.

I'm not saying this to be mean. I am actually hoping you might consider changing your ways. People might like you better and actually be receptive to your ideas and opinions if you actually tried to contribute constructively and positively to the forum.

Catch you later,
Dave
 
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