Darren Forfeits Beloit

BJTyler said:
Fair enough, so let's say that Darren's oversleeping potentially cost himself and others a decent sized chunk of dough. But, I'm not sure that really changes anything. Suppose you and I flip coins and I win by using a 1 sided coin. I guess you can't say I cheated you out of anything.....after all, you were 50% likely to lose anyway.
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So now you are comparing Darren oversleeping to cheating? Darren caused a lost opportunity, nothing more.
 
Hungarian said:
The main point is that the "opportunity" was lost. It's lost opportunity, nothing more or nothing less. Speculating on how well Sky was playing is irrelevant. I'm sure Darren likes his chances against the kid. I'm also sure the kid is confident and he's playing great right now, no doubt. But to say Sky was an odds on favorite is not correct.
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BJ said "Fact is" Darren cost people money. Not true. Only cost Opportunity as you mentioned.

Ray
 
Bigtruck said:
So now you are comparing Darren oversleeping to cheating? Darren caused a lost opportunity, nothing more.
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I respect you opinion but he cause more than that
People who are gamblers have are adrenaline junkies they live to sweat the bet , the OP was robbed of that


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one stroke said:
I respect you opinion but he cause more than that
People who are gamblers have are adrenaline junkies they live to sweat the bet , the OP was robbed of that


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I agree with that 100%. I was as disappointed as anyone that that match didn't happen.
(FTR is wasn't going to be seen on stream.)

I think Darren should challenge Sky to Fight Night 8 Ball Race to 75. Same rules. :D

Ray
 
lfigueroa said:
Yes, it was 4-0.

No about forgetting about it. Actually I wrote it up and posted about it here in excruciating detail. Playing a champion, such as yourself, is a thrill for a weekend banger kind of guy like me.

Lou Figueroa
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At Darren's house on his table. Just played 4 games of $20/game 1p anf we 2-2. But I'm sure I'm lucky
 
i think we need an AZB poll:

who, in this thread, with $16,000 on the table (plus $40K OPM's posted & your expenses to cover) - would have overslept?

(Cleary, is exempt - if i recall correctly ;))
 
BJTyler said:
Fair enough, so let's say that Darren's oversleeping potentially cost himself and others a decent sized chunk of dough. But, I'm not sure that really changes anything. Suppose you and I flip coins and I win by using a 1 sided coin. I guess you can't say I cheated you out of anything.....after all, you were 50% likely to lose anyway.
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BJ

I find myself in an unusual place with this thread.

I typically don't think that the pro players, as a group, do themselves many favors. As a group, they have the opportunity to create a fan base and an entertainment product that would help them tremendously, but often they don't seem to do that.

In this situation, I find myself on the other side of the fence. I know Darren personally, and have a tremendous amount of respect for him. He is respectful and holds himself to a high standard. I believe that no one feels worse about this mistake than him. But, he is human and did make a mistake. He has to carry that burden, and I'm sure he will do so with character and respect because that's the kind of man that he is.

I understand you're being upset about the mistake he made, and rightfully so. You risked a lot of money on Darren and he let you down.

I was glad to see that Darren came on this forum, a place he doesn't frequent, and apologized to you personally.

This whole issue has gotten out of control. It has now reached the point where Darren's mistake is being compared to stealing.

Surely you realize that what Darren did was a mistake. He didn't do it on purpose.

Also, surely you realize that betting on a coin toss with the outcome predetermined by deceit is stealing.

I feel for you, I really do. That was a lot of money to lose.

I also understand what Calcutta's do for events like this. I like calcutta's, as they bring a completely different layer to the whole thing.

I also know that pretty much every pro that I've talked to about calcuttas have the same opinion of them. They usually try to avoid them. They don't feel the odds on the money are good for them. They are frowned on if they don't buy half. They are accused of dumping if they don't win, etc. I've personally seen events where one player went so high that they had to win the event just to break even. It was a bad bet!

Here's a question for you. How many of the calcutta winners had money on themselves in the calcutta? I'm not talking about their backers either. I mean there own money.

My fear of this whole situation is that it will lead to fewer events drawing players like Darren out to play in them. And that would be a bad thing for pool. It would hurt the room owner. It would hurt BigTruck who streams the events. It would hurt the spectators who spend their money enjoying pool.


Royce
 
RBC said:
BJ

I find myself in an unusual place with this thread.

I typically don't think that the pro players, as a group, do themselves many favors. As a group, they have the opportunity to create a fan base and an entertainment product that would help them tremendously, but often they don't seem to do that.

In this situation, I find myself on the other side of the fence. I know Darren personally, and have a tremendous amount of respect for him. He is respectful and holds himself to a high standard. I believe that no one feels worse about this mistake than him. But, he is human and did make a mistake. He has to carry that burden, and I'm sure he will do so with character and respect because that's the kind of man that he is.

I understand you're being upset about the mistake he made, and rightfully so. You risked a lot of money on Darren and he let you down.

I was glad to see that Darren came on this forum, a place he doesn't frequent, and apologized to you personally.

This whole issue has gotten out of control. It has now reached the point where Darren's mistake is being compared to stealing.

Surely you realize that what Darren did was a mistake. He didn't do it on purpose.

Also, surely you realize that betting on a coin toss with the outcome predetermined by deceit is stealing.

I feel for you, I really do. That was a lot of money to lose.

I also understand what Calcutta's do for events like this. I like calcutta's, as they bring a completely different layer to the whole thing.

I also know that pretty much every pro that I've talked to about calcuttas have the same opinion of them. They usually try to avoid them. They don't feel the odds on the money are good for them. They are frowned on if they don't buy half. They are accused of dumping if they don't win, etc. I've personally seen events where one player went so high that they had to win the event just to break even. It was a bad bet!

Here's a question for you. How many of the calcutta winners had money on themselves in the calcutta? I'm not talking about their backers either. I mean there own money.

My fear of this whole situation is that it will lead to fewer events drawing players like Darren out to play in them. And that would be a bad thing for pool. It would hurt the room owner. It would hurt BigTruck who streams the events. It would hurt the spectators who spend their money enjoying pool.


Royce
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Royce,

The coin toss example was only intended to explain why there is little difference between cost and opportunity cost -especially when it comes to gambling. It was not to meant to imply that Darren was involved in any purposeful deception or theft. I believe that most readers -based upon their feedback- interpreted it in exactly that way.

As to your question, my understanding (based only upon what I heard) is that Shane & Corey both had half of their calcutta bets. I didn't hear anything either way about Sky.

And yes, I agree with you that there is a real danger that situations such as what happened last Sunday could be bad for pool.

All the best.
 
It's now official:

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

and one more for good measure :deadhorse::

best,
brian kc
 
and if anyone still thinks....
 

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Bigtruck said:
So now you are comparing Darren oversleeping to cheating? Darren caused a lost opportunity, nothing more.
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That was reaching a little bit.
He described the situation well.
BJTyler's conduct in this thread has been MUCH better than most people who lost their
$$$ by a player not showing up would have acted.

Daz was responsible in his remorse.
But I think calcuttas are good for the game and any problems should be addressed.
 
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