shipping cues out of the country! customs and issues??

shipping

Bill sorry to hear what your going through.

I WOULDNT EVEN SHIP A CUBE OF CHALK OVERSEAS.

learned my lesson a long time ago. not worth the headaches
 
Seems like this thread Bill started is going sideways.........forget about the value declared for shipping.....people do this all the time and it will never stop.......it's like expecting people not to exaggerate on their IRS filing every year........it's all about trying to preserve money.....drop that topic from the thread because it will "never" stop.....this thread should be about the larger problem that threatens the pool cue industry........the ivory ban.......stop using ivory and cue sales will suffer and probably already have because of the ban.

At this very moment, there are two cues overseas I still haven't bought......total of $9k in sales proceeds not realized for two different cue sellers only because both have lots of ivory.......I am close to consummating one of those purchases later this year but it's a very drawn out process as one might otherwise imagine. So absolutely yes, the ban undermines the secondary resale market very badly. I guess my point is if it weren't for the ivory ban, I'd be playing with both of those cues right now.

The ivory ban is without a doubt is undermining the future of the pool cue industry and the secondary market is getting hit the hardest.....lots of cues are trapped overseas ....off the shores of the USA.......and those cues can't be sold in the USA because the cues won't make it through US Customs because of the ivory in these cues......it's the ivory ban that's the genuine problem that needs resolution, not the declared value of a cue shipment.....just my opinion which is self-serving because I won't buy a pool cue unless it has lots of ivory (joint, ferrules & inlays). I am fortunate to already own some nice ones.

Matt B.
 
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skins said:
Maybe it has nothing to due with worth and more about what it SOLD for.... Haven't you ever heard of someone selling a car to a close freind for a $1 so he can save on taxes and registration fees? It's done a lot... Legally it should work the same with any item as long as it has a legit receipt accompanying the item.
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The car isn't going to China and doesn't have ivory. Next....
 
Bavafongoul said:
Seems like this thread Bill started is going sideways.........forget about the value declared for shipping.....people do this all the time and it will never stop.......it's like expecting people not to exaggerate on their IRS filing every year........it's all about trying to preserve money.....drop that topic from the thread because it will "never" stop.....this thread should be about the larger problem that threatens the pool cue industry........the ivory ban.......stop using ivory and cue sales will suffer and probably already have because of the ban.

At this very moment, there are two cues overseas I still haven't bought......total of $9k in sales proceeds not realized for two different cue sellers only because both have lots of ivory.......I am close to consummating one of those purchases later this year but it's a very drawn out process as one might otherwise imagine. So absolutely yes, the ban undermines the secondary resale market very badly. I guess my point is if it weren't for the ivory ban, I'd be playing with both of those cues right now.

The ivory ban is without a doubt is undermining the future of the pool cue industry and the secondary market is getting hit the hardest.....lots of cues are trapped overseas ....off the shores of the USA.......and those cues can't be sold in the USA because the cues won't make it through US Customs because of the ivory in these cues......it's the ivory ban that's the genuine problem that needs resolution, not the declared value of a cue shipment.....just my opinion which is self-serving because I won't buy a pool cue unless it has lots of ivory (joint, ferrules & inlays). I am fortunate to already own some nice ones.

Matt B.
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I am talking about people shipping ivory cues and claiming 200 value. All I can say is when you do that and ger caught you are admitting knowledge of the cue containing ivory. An agent can take one look at the cue and know it's expensive.

The big dealers are crazy to ship ivory overseas and receive it. Now it's illegal to ship ivory interstate in many states. Law enforcement will make examples of a few to control many. THIS Is HOW it is always done in the good old USA.
 
xXGEARXx said:
The car isn't going to China and doesn't have ivory. Next....
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Regardless maybe all that's needed is a receipt... Ivory has nothing to due with actual or declared value... pieces of art have no static value and as such can be "worth" something or nothing.. My argument is not whether you can ship ivory overseas and falsifying the declared value, it's about declared value only towards the tariff liability and that's what I was speaking to...Sorry if i wasn't clear.. NEXT
 
xXGEARXx said:
The car isn't going to China and doesn't have ivory. Next....
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Also if it's not from a family member you need to expect DMV to expect some documentation on the transfer and depending on the fair market value of the car you may need to consider the IRS as you can only gift so much without the benefactor declaring the gift as income.
 
xXGEARXx said:
The car isn't going to China and doesn't have ivory. Next....
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Also if it's not from a family member you need to expect DMV to expect some documentation on the transfer and depending on the fair market value of the car you may need to consider the IRS as you can only gift so much without the benefactor declaring the gift as income.
 
spktur said:
Also if it's not from a family member you need to expect DMV to expect some documentation on the transfer and depending on the fair market value of the car you may need to consider the IRS as you can only gift so much without the benefactor declaring the gift as income.
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fair market value is subjective.. Ok sell it for $1,000.. taxes are still fairly low...

anyway my point is items considered as "art" have such a wide range in price that it'd be extremely rare for any official to go through the hoops required to challenge a professional looking receipt from a dealer... a private sale not that may be a different story..
 
skins said:
Regardless maybe all that's needed is a receipt... Ivory has nothing to due with actual or declared value... pieces of art have no static value and as such can be "worth" something or nothing.. My argument is not whether you can ship ivory overseas and falsifying the declared value, it's about declared value only towards the tariff liability and that's what I was speaking to...Sorry if i wasn't clear.. NEXT
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Let's see if we can be constructive here. Or not, and THAT IS JUST FINE TOO.

Educate me, so I may not be ignorant. Is it legal to ship cues overseas that contain ivory in them? Elephant ivory? Any ivory? No, I don't mean pink ivory either. Tusk ivory.
 
xXGEARXx said:
Let's see if we can be constructive here. Or not, and THAT IS JUST FINE TOO.

Educate me, so I may not be ignorant. Is it legal to ship cues overseas that contain ivory in them? Elephant ivory? Any ivory? No, I don't mean pink ivory either. Tusk ivory.
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Per Fish and Wildlife:

EXPORT:

Non-commercial
What’s allowed:

Worked ivory items that meet CITES permitting requirements

What’s prohibited:

Raw ivory

So YES it is legal to ship BUT the country you may be shipping to may not allow it in OR charge a hefty tariff... That said, just because it has ivory in it does not make it extremely valuable.. The OP had a problem with declared value I believe
 
skins said:
Per Fish and Wildlife:

EXPORT:

Non-commercial
What’s allowed:

Worked ivory items that meet CITES permitting requirements

What’s prohibited:

Raw ivory

So YES it is legal to ship BUT the country you may be shipping to may not allow it in OR charge a hefty tariff... That said, just because it has ivory in it does not make it extremely valuable.. The OP had a problem with declared value I believe
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For it to meet CITES, don't you have to have ridiculous proof? Regardless, let's say the proof was there, which I who heartily doubt, why even risk declaring an amount you know to be false? You are running a business, not giving a car to your daughter.

I have an incredibly easy way to solve this. Just DON'T do business with said party! See how easy that is now? No BS. No hang ups, no problems. After the potential deal fell through, you would say, "NEXT!" A real BUSINESS OWNER understands this. If you want to roll the dice, good luck. Good luck and DON'T start threads over it when it goes wrong!!
 
xXGEARXx said:
For it to meet CITES, don't you have to have ridiculous proof? Regardless, let's say the proof was there, which I who heartily doubt, why even risk declaring an amount you know to be false? You are running a business, not giving a car to your daughter.

I have an incredibly easy way to solve this. Just DON'T do business with said party! See how easy that is now? No BS. No hang ups, no problems. After the potential deal fell through, you would say, "NEXT!" A real BUSINESS OWNER understands this. If you want to roll the dice, good luck. Good luck and DON'T start threads over it when it goes wrong!!
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CITES acquisition is not what you asked. You asked if Ivory could be shipped. The answer is yes. In my posts I haven't argued FOR or AGAINST how you choose to fill out forms with value declaration. To each their own. I've just stated that declared value is very subjective and there might be ways commonly used in other forms of transactions that might apply here... I'm not even sure if the declared value portion of a shipping form has anything to do with what the actual value of the item is. I think it's just for insurance purposes in case a claim is made. Now for shipping overseas as I believe was the case here, that may be different because of tarriffs... Either way I hope I got my point across and I'll stop beating the dead horse..
 
skins said:
CITES acquisition is not what you asked. You asked if Ivory could be shipped. The answer is yes. In my posts I haven't argued FOR or AGAINST how you choose to fill out forms with value declaration. To each their own. I've just stated that declared value is very subjective and there might be ways commonly used in other forms of transactions that might apply here... I'm not even sure if the declared value portion of a shipping form has anything to do with what the actual value of the item is. I think it's just for insurance purposes in case a claim is made. Now for shipping overseas as I believe was the case here, that may be different because of tarriffs... Either way I hope I got my point across and I'll stop beating the dead horse..
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Yes. You sure did get your point across!

I typed a bunch of other shit that I just deleted. No reason to continue. I made my point and so did you.
 
xXGEARXx said:
Yes. You sure did get your point across!

I typed a bunch of other shit that I just deleted. No reason to continue. I made my point and so did you.
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Ahhhh yes.... And all is right with the world again. I'm goin' to hit some :smile:
 
The ivory regulation allows for exemptions but doesn't provide any method or procedure to obtain any CITES certificate for your artifacts containing legal ivory, which is a major assumption since the only way to determine the age of the ivory, what type of ivory or even just to determine if the white material in the pool cue is really even ivory involves destroying your pool cue.

Per the chief biologist at the US Fish & Wildlife Bureau in Washington, DC, the only way to validate that any item has ivory or that the item contains ivory that could be considered legal is to take many multiple core samples of the material in question which involves boring into the cue. Depending on how much ivory there is, the cue would otherwise be destroyed by drilling into the ferrules, joint, rings, inlays and pretty much anything that even looks like ivory to the examiner. If you call US Fish & Wildlife, get prepared for a enormous runaround because they can't even advise you on how to obtain or issue a CITES certificate for a pool cue or anything else......at least that was the situation last December.

The ivory regulation was enacted prematurely and was poorly implemented as everyone that deals with expensive, collectible pool cues will attest. God help us because I suspect the NRA is going to get involved because of the importance of ivory for some gun collectors and gun owners. Rally the GOP to correct this malaise........wait and see the first time a gun show gets raided and guns confiscated because of ivory grips.........things will change fast because pool cues aren't going to arouse change in the regulation but mess with someone's gun rights, well, get ready to be steam-rolled over into changing the ivory regulation......nothing seems to be able to stop the gun lobby in the USA.........92% of all Americans want national background checks for gun purchases.........Heck 86% of all Republicans want background checks on all gun purchases.......... even 74% of all NRA members surveyed want background checks on all gun purchases.......Yet the NRA Executive Committee fiercely opposes background checks........Ergo, it doesn't matter that more than 9 out of every 10 Americans want background checks......The NRA controls Congress......so when the gun lobby gets ivolved with the ivory ban....and they will.....the ship will get righted.......mark my words on that point.

In the meantime, the solution is for cue-makers to be able to issue CITES documents.........the mere fact that no one will tell you how to obtain a CITES certificate confirms the process is just ridiculous........if a cue-maker that complies with the ivory regulation, purchases legal ivory and can validate that your cue was made using legal ivory, why can't a legal document be issued by the cue-maker? If need be, make cue- makers register or get a license to craft legal ivory into pool cue components.....the ivory regulation will never stop the slaughter of elephants.......let every free world nation contribute people and money to going after the poachers..........but this ivory regulation really screwed things up for the pool cue industry and pool cue collectors without accomplishing squat.

Matt B.
 
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I would trust Bill Grassley with my wallet or anything else I had of any matrial worth......this guy suffered a monetary loss and is trying to lay the blame at Bill's doorstep.......wrong address.....wrong person.....If Bill screws up, he's the first to admit it and accepts responsibility........I have done cue purchases with Bill since I joined the Forum and will continue to buy from him.

Matt B.
 
On Oct 27, 2014, at 7:38 AM, ru ng-yuh hung <hungeasy@yahoo.com.tw> wrote:

Dear william grassley:
forgot to tell you my Ebony Tad cue
In September, the club participated in the Shanghai China Exhibition ~Elected Top 10 great cues As attached

http://news.top147.com/2014/09/00018635.shtml
pix.3 &4

I would have invited friends return to Taiwan immediately
when I received after ~I Will immediately be forwarded to you
Within a week you should be able to receive estimates
So tomorrow I will be the first remittance $2000 to you

Both are waiting for you to receive then send me 3-Cues
with EMS same before

my send address is:
JUNG-YU HUNG (TEL:0952113727)
(814) 1# Make 16 , 21 Lane
Bade North Road , (The Orange Villa)
Renwu District Kaohsiung Taiwan R.O.C.

both cases package value please mark usd$280
thank you very much
best regards
Jung-Yu Hung




here is his email he is a liar
 
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