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If you hit the CB on the spot you choose to, you have no choice in what part of the tip makes contact - that's entirely determined by the spot on the CB you choose to hit. This is how you get dumbed down by "celebrity knowledge".

pj
chgo

It's not the spot you choose, it's the angle of the cue that determines the part of the tip.
 
Here's a diagram to illustrate this. The circles are nickel size (on the left) and dime size (on the right); the shafts are 12.75mm (on the top) and 10mm (on the bottom). All four tips contact the cue ball at the miscue limit (about 30 degrees from center).

Notice, for example, that a 12.75mm shaft with dime curvature (top right) can never hit the CB right on its edge.

pj
chgo

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You're going to have a hard time getting your bridge hand under the cue on the bottom.
 
With the curvature of the cue ball and tip I don't think that you have to be too far from center to use the edge of your tip.

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Some don't get it & some isolate factors & leave out other factors & some do what they do just for ulterior motives.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
It's not the spot you choose, it's the angle of the cue that determines the part of the tip.
This shows your misunderstanding.

Once you choose the spot you want to hit on the CB (to give it the intended spin and speed), there's only one cue angle that will make the CB hit your target. You don't get separate choices.

If you choose to hit with the edge of your tip, you've chosen to apply maximum spin.

pj
chgo
 
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Really, it's not that hard to hit center CB with the edge of the tip. Pinning is very effective for forward roll.

Also for quick draw on a short 'softer' hit shots. But...you said 'center CB'. So...I'm sure that will be argued shortly.:wink:
 
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You can use an angled cue when using side spin....BHE. When doing so you want to try and keep the stick as level as possible with bed of the table.

Hitting center ball with the edge of the tip would require a vertically angled cue........who in their right mind would teach that? If you need forward roll then hit the CB above center.....with a level cue (eliminate slight masse effect).

You ever try it? No masse with a center ball hit.
 
This shows your misunderstanding.

Once you choose the spot you want to hit on the CB (to give it the intended spin and speed), there's only one cue angle that will make the CB hit your target. You don't get separate choices.

If you choose to hit with the edge of your tip, you've chosen to apply maximum spin.

pj
chgo

I can use the edge of my tip and stay close to center CB while achieving a good amount of spin. I see you don't understand a lot about shooting with an angled cue. Not everyone shoots with a straight flat cue like your drawings.
 
I think many focus on the horizontal enter of their tip even when applying english.

I 'never' focus on the center of my tip, but always focus on the 'edge' that will be making contact with the ball.

Even when hitting for follow & I can not see the part that will be making contact, my focus is on the underneath side that will be making contact.

Please note the words in single quotes.

I was taught in school to use them when a word is used not exactly as its literal definition would be, either as an approximation or as a means of indicating irony.

Best 2 All.
Rick
 
few accelerate in a way that creates the "Pinning Effect".

I didn't mean it that way. I know what CJ is talking about, so I'll let him try to explain it better. When you "pin" the cue ball, you are hitting it with the "correct" part of the tip and proper acceleration.

That's correct, anyone can hit the cue-ball with the edge of their tip, however, few accelerate in a way that creates the "Pinning Effect". You can hear the sound it makes, and it's distinctively different than normal.
 
"beginner knowledge," it's almost as much fun as riding a Harley with training wheels

If you hit the CB on the spot you choose to, you have no choice in what part of the tip makes contact - that's entirely determined by the spot on the CB you choose to hit. This is how you get dumbed down by "celebrity knowledge".

pj
chgo

We enjoy getting pumped up on your "beginner knowledge," it's almost as much fun as riding a Harley with training wheels.

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Do you have an understanding of what CJ means by pinning the CB?

NO I DON'T !...But I'm not surprised ! :rolleyes:..According to CJ, this is a term used often by top level, "road players" !..I admit to having taken a few years off, but in all my years of playing, I have NEVER heard that expression, from anyone (pro or amateur), unless they were referring to "pinning" the cue ball inside a corner, (which is a commonly ruled a foul)

The surprising thing to me is, just because he introduced the term, you all seem to accept it as a "common expression" !.. So please, can anyone (including CJ.) explain HIS meaning of the word, or term ? (just for the benefit of us 'less advanced' player's)..Thank You.

Late Edit;--> Patrick may not be the player that CJ is, but his sensible way of explaining things is
'light years' ahead ! :eek: ...(1900 posts, over 95% of which are pure jibberish. :o)
 
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the edge of the tip can be used to apply all spins

By using the top or bottom edge of the tip.

That's right, the top edge is for draw and the bottom edge is for follow (although "force-follow" uses the top as well - with an elevated bridge).....the edge of the tip can be used to apply all spins. When slow-rolling the cue ball it's not necessary, although I prefer to "stun" or force the cue ball instead of slow-rolling when appropriate.
 
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