WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?

CJ Wiley said:
Another positive attribute of cocking the wrist "hammer style," is that on the forward motion you can activate your stoke simply by closing your hand. With the correct timing the acceleration will happen EXACTLY at impact. It's also important to know that the game is played with the EDGE of the tip, must like punching with your knuckles instead of the flat part of your fist. This technique is what road players call "Pinning" the ball.

Most players accelerate improperly and don't get the most action out of the cue ball. Buddy Hall does this superbly, sometime the cue ball looks like jerks back when he draws the cue ball. This is something we can all strive to improve on a regular basis or we will inevitably regress in our overall development. 'The GAME is our teacher'
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Hey CJ,

I have been using the hammer stroke ever since you introduced it and I like it.

Another option that you provided also works mentally very well for me, using my cue as a casting rod with only using the wrist with very little rear movement of the forearm and an accelerating movement of the wrist and some forward movement of the forearm. The focus is more on the wrist than the forearm.

Anyway, thanks for all of the good tips. :smile:

If you ever come to St. Louis I'll play you a set even for double steak cheeseburgers from Steak & Shake. :smile:

John
 
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"The moment of truth, is the moment of cue ball contact".

One Pocket John said:
Hey CJ,

I have been using the hammer stroke ever since you introduced it and I like it.

Another option that you provided also works mentally very well for me, using my cue as a casting rod with only using the wrist with very little rear movement of the forearm and an accelerating movement of the wrist and some forward movement of the forearm. The focus is more on the wrist than the forearm.

Anyway, thanks for all of the good tips. :smile:

If you ever come to St. Louis I'll play you a set even for double steak cheeseburgers from Steak & Shake. :smile:

John
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That's sounds good, although it doesn't take much wrist movement, it's more about the leverage it provides.... with pressure releasing at the moment of contact. I can do some amazing things with this technique, and it requires very little effort.

The key is to properly set the wrist and forearm so this can happen in the proper order to create incredible acceleration. "The moment of truth, is the moment of cue ball contact".

Can we throw in a Steak and Shake shake? ;)

You gotta deal, John, enjoy the rest of your weekend.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Another positive attribute of cocking the wrist "hammer style," is that on the forward motion you can activate your stoke simply by closing your hand. With the correct timing the acceleration will happen EXACTLY at impact. It's also important to know that the game is played with the EDGE of the tip, must like punching with your knuckles instead of the flat part of your fist. This technique is what road players call "Pinning" the ball.

Most players accelerate improperly and don't get the most action out of the cue ball. Buddy Hall does this superbly, sometime the cue ball looks like jerks back when he draws the cue ball. This is something we can all strive to improve on a regular basis or we will inevitably regress in our overall development. 'The GAME is our teacher'
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The faster tables make pinning the cue ball a little tougher. It still works pretty good on the bar tables in tight quarters.

Best,
Mike
 
DTL said:
Although we all hit the CB with the edges of our tips any time spin is used, what you're saying seems contradictory to the "no spin" theme you advocate with the TOI method or system.

How can you use the edge of your tip when you hit the CB with just a "touch" of inside? If you're hitting just off center, that means you're also hitting just off center of the tip too......unless you're swiping.
TOI, something you say one should strive to use on every shot, yet then say the game is played with the edge of the tip. Just seems a little confusing to me.
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Its not hard to understand, DTL..To anyone who is the least bit cognizant of how pool should best be played, most of his offerings, are completely confusing ! :confused:..This is why most of his hundreds of posts, are spent trying to defend his position on ANYTHING ! ;)

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You know; C J's ideas may be "Out there" a bit too far at times, and I'm not going to deny that some of his ideas perplex me in the exact same manner they've perplexed some of his critics posting in the recent portion of this thread; but, a lot of you are making a mountain out of a molehill. THANK GOD SOMEONE'S AT LEAST OUT THERE!
 
DTL:
How can you use the edge of your tip when you hit the CB with just a "touch" of inside?
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AtLarge:
By using the top or bottom edge of the tip.
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You can't just use the edge of your tip whenever you want to, no matter where you hit the CB. You have to hit the CB a certain distance from center before the tip's edge comes into play. If "pinning" means using the edge of the tip, then it just means using a lot of sidespin.

Another nonsense "advanced technique".

pj
chgo
 
With the curvature of the cue ball and tip I don't think that you have to be too far from center to use the edge of your tip.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You can't just use the edge of your tip whenever you want to, no matter where you hit the CB. You have to hit the CB a certain distance from center before the tip's edge comes into play. If "pinning" means using the edge of the tip, then it just means using a lot of sidespin.

Another nonsense "advanced technique".

pj
chgo
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yankee:
With the curvature of the cue ball and tip I don't think that you have to be too far from center to use the edge of your tip.
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With a nickel or dime curvature you have to be almost at the miscue limit.

pj
chgo
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Here's a diagram to illustrate this. The circles are nickel size (on the left) and dime size (on the right); the shafts are 12.75mm (on the top) and 10mm (on the bottom). All four tips contact the cue ball at the miscue limit (about 30 degrees from center).

Notice, for example, that a 12.75mm shaft with dime curvature (top right) can never hit the CB right on its edge.

pj
chgo

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Patrick Johnson said:
You can't just use the edge of your tip whenever you want to, no matter where you hit the CB. You have to hit the CB a certain distance from center before the tip's edge comes into play. If "pinning" means using the edge of the tip, then it just means using a lot of sidespin.

Another nonsense "advanced technique".

pj
chgo
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This is not correct. The entire "surface" of the tip is the "edge"...it is just a different part of the tip. If you shoot a straight in shot CENTER BALL, you are using the very front "edge" of the tip to connect to the cue ball. If you are shooting with left English the right "edge" of the tip is hitting the "edge" of the cue ball unless your tip is as small as a pin and just as pointed. If you are shooting draw, the top "edge" of the tip connects to the cue ball when hit properly.

That's my two cents, anyway.
 
HawaiianEye said:
This is not correct. The entire "surface" of the tip is the "edge"...it is just a different part of the tip. If you shoot a straight in shot CENTER BALL, you are using the very front "edge" of the tip to connect to the cue ball. If you are shooting with left English the right "edge" of the tip is hitting the "edge" of the cue ball unless your tip is as small as a pin and just as pointed. If you are shooting draw, the top "edge" of the tip connects to the cue ball when hit properly.

That's my two cents, anyway.
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According to previous posts, "pinning" the ball is an advanced technique that uses the edge of the tip. So, going by your post, if one manages to hit the cb with any part of the tip, they are "pinning" it, and using an advanced technique.
 
Neil said:
According to previous posts, "pinning" the ball is an advanced technique that uses the edge of the tip. So, going by your post, if one manages to hit the cb with any part of the tip, they are "pinning" it, and using an advanced technique.
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I didn't mean it that way. I know what CJ is talking about, so I'll let him try to explain it better. When you "pin" the cue ball, you are hitting it with the "correct" part of the tip and proper acceleration.
 
HawaiianEye said:
When you "pin" the cue ball, you are hitting it with the "correct" part of the tip and proper acceleration.
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If you hit the CB on the spot you choose to, you have no choice in what part of the tip makes contact - that's entirely determined by the spot on the CB you choose to hit. This is how you get dumbed down by "celebrity knowledge".

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You can't just use the edge of your tip whenever you want to, no matter where you hit the CB. You have to hit the CB a certain distance from center before the tip's edge comes into play. If "pinning" means using the edge of the tip, then it just means using a lot of sidespin.

Another nonsense "advanced technique".

pj
chgo
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Really, it's not that hard to hit center CB with the edge of the tip. Pinning is very effective for forward roll.
 
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