Diamond System with Consistent Numbering?

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WillyCornbread

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Hi - I've been studying Tor Lowrys excellent zero-x kicking video's and while I find them to be excellent, I really struggle with memorizing the numbering because it changes depending on where the cueball is and where the object ball is. In addition sometimes you divide in half, sometimes you don't. I've even made a couple pages of my own diagrams to try and get it drilled into my head.

I tried a forum search but couldn't find any details on other systems. I'm not afraid of some math, so if a diamond system existed that had diamond / ball numbering that was consistent regardless of where you were on the table - or only had one or two variations but needed some math to get the right 'lines' for kicking/banking I think I'd be in much better shape.

Does such a thing exist, or is it the nature of the beast that all of them have many variations depending on the situation and I should quit crying about it and memorize them?

Thanks!
 
Instead of watching all of the dvd at once I took a section at a time until I had it memorized. Then I went onto the next section and watched it over and over until I had that one memorized. Doing it this way made it easier for me to learn. This way may not work for you, but for me I found that is the best way for me to learn.
 
WillyCornbread said:
Hi - I've been studying Tor Lowrys excellent zero-x kicking video's and while I find them to be excellent, I really struggle with memorizing the numbering because it changes depending on where the cueball is and where the object ball is. In addition sometimes you divide in half, sometimes you don't. I've even made a couple pages of my own diagrams to try and get it drilled into my head.

I tried a forum search but couldn't find any details on other systems. I'm not afraid of some math, so if a diamond system existed that had diamond / ball numbering that was consistent regardless of where you were on the table - or only had one or two variations but needed some math to get the right 'lines' for kicking/banking I think I'd be in much better shape.

Does such a thing exist, or is it the nature of the beast that all of them have many variations depending on the situation and I should quit crying about it and memorize them?

Thanks!
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There's much easier ones out there. Next time, search on google, not here. Here's the page listing for kicking systems. https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&ie=UTF-8#q=billiard kicking systems&es_th=1
 
Neil said:
There's much easier ones out there. Next time, search on google, not here. Here's the page listing for kicking systems. https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&ie=UTF-8#q=billiard kicking systems&es_th=1
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Thanks Neil - I can find plenty on google, that is kind of the issue. There are a ton and I was wondering if anyone here had some specific knowledge of one that might fit the criteria of more math but less variation by situation. It's difficult to know that until you've already invested some time learning it and I'm hoping to avoid that
 
Check out Bob Jewett and Dr Dave's videos regarding the plus 2 system. If you can't remember that system you are mathematically challenged.
 
WillyCornbread said:
Hi - I've been studying Tor Lowrys excellent zero-x kicking video's and while I find them to be excellent, I really struggle with memorizing the numbering because it changes depending on where the cueball is and where the object ball is. In addition sometimes you divide in half, sometimes you don't. I've even made a couple pages of my own diagrams to try and get it drilled into my head.

I tried a forum search but couldn't find any details on other systems. I'm not afraid of some math, so if a diamond system existed that had diamond / ball numbering that was consistent regardless of where you were on the table - or only had one or two variations but needed some math to get the right 'lines' for kicking/banking I think I'd be in much better shape.

Does such a thing exist, or is it the nature of the beast that all of them have many variations depending on the situation and I should quit crying about it and memorize them?

Thanks!
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It's important to remember that you will have to make adjustments for any system due to variations in the equipment.

This should help: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/banks_and_kicks.html

A lot of pretty good players can be seen constructing mirror aiming points for one-rail kicks. That requires a little geometry but no calculation.
 
WillyCornbread said:
Thanks Neil - I can find plenty on google, that is kind of the issue. There are a ton and I was wondering if anyone here had some specific knowledge of one that might fit the criteria of more math but less variation by situation. It's difficult to know that until you've already invested some time learning it and I'm hoping to avoid that
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two rail-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOmOohQiUC0&feature=related

one rail-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhCfLrIOgKU

two rail- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJIVu9OLTMI

Another easy two rail system, which I use a lot, is just to take the distance between the cb and ob and cut it in half. From that point, point your cue to the pocket you will be shooting around. Take that angle and carefully bring your cue to the cb keeping the same angle on the cue. Where the cue points to, shoot there.

With a shallow angle into the rail, you will have to shoot a few inches close to the pocket than the system shows.
 
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I use Dr Cue / The monk Kicking & banking system. Works grate for me. Like others said just take it one part at a time
 
Thanks everyone for the suggestions - after looking at the Dr. Cue 7th pocket and the plus 2 rail stuff I am wondering why the Tor Lowry stuff seems so complicated - maybe I'm missing something or the Dr. Cue fits the way my brain works, but it seems much simpler and just as effective as a guide.

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Jimmy Reid had a single table numbering system that worked for most of the two, three, and four rail kicks. It was available on his member site a while ago.


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