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I've got a real sneaky they can buy for only $1000. That should give me enough to have about 20 more converted.
People like using certain words, regardless of their actual meaning.
Glad to hear the custom brace is helping out.
Stop Calling A Custom A Sneaky Pete
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I've got a real sneaky they can buy for only $1000. That should give me enough to have about 20 more converted.
People like using certain words, regardless of their actual meaning.
Glad to hear the custom brace is helping out.
Nope. That's what it is now. If someone wants to steal the term and attach their own description, that's their problem, but it doesn't change the definition. The definition I gave is the correct definition.
People are always trying to change words and phrases for their own benefit. It's been like that for forever. It's the ignorant ones who buy into it who think it's a new definition.
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Sneaky Pete in my opinion is used to deceive other people of your cue. It looks like a house cue and it is not. What about the pool halls that use plain Jane's as house cues? Something like that can be chopped too.
What are we arguing here? It has to be a Duff house cue that is chopped?
It can't be a custom?
What are we arguing here? It has to be a Duff house cue that is chopped?
It can't be a custom?
I may regret this, but I'm willing to trade a brand new $40 sneaky pete for a run of the mill custom cue.
MY understanding of a "Sneaky Pete" is that it is a cue that is "indistinguishable" from the house cues that are used in most pool halls. A simple full-splice cue that has been cut in half and has a wood-to-wood joint with no rings or anything.
If it looks like something "other than" a house cue, it ISN'T too "sneaky".
If it looks like something "other than" a house cue, it ISN'T too "sneaky".
We have been discussing Sneaky Petes, but true Sneaky Petes, which there are very few of, are those without a joint, but have a cue case that is twice as long. I think JB has a few leftover. :smile:
Yes, that is what it use to mean. Things changed. Now it's a type of cue used in the regular jargon of many pool players.
One can order from just about any cue maker, or production cue, a well built custom cue without the expense of inlays, wraps, etc.
Basically, SP is a term to describe a particular style of cue. It's not how it started, but it's how it ended up. Don't shoot the messenger
Check out these sneakie petes :thumbup:
OK, I prefer to think of them as wrapless full splice cues ... but hey, in the words of a fine young man currently making me another "sneakies rule" :grin:
I have observed that some cuemakers basically refuse to make a two piece cue without joint collars. The Gracio (far right) and John Davis blank in the middle, and the 5 on the left (3 x Schmelke and 2 x Dufferin) might be classified as "sneakie petes" but a couple have butt cap ring things ... are they sneakies ? Not that I care
Dave
OK, I prefer to think of them as wrapless full splice cues ... but hey, in the words of a fine young man currently making me another "sneakies rule" :grin:
I have observed that some cuemakers basically refuse to make a two piece cue without joint collars. The Gracio (far right) and John Davis blank in the middle, and the 5 on the left (3 x Schmelke and 2 x Dufferin) might be classified as "sneakie petes" but a couple have butt cap ring things ... are they sneakies ? Not that I care
Dave
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LOL...you got a nice collection of Sneaky pete cues there.
I guess the only distinction here that you made is whether it's a custom sneeky or production sneaky. Production sneaky pete for me reference to house cue conversion where the blank is not made by a cue builder...this may include searing, tim scruggs...and many other builders.
If the blank is made by the builder or came from another builder...than it would be consider a custom cue/custom sneeky pete as it was designed to look like a sneeky but it's really a custom cue that is generally refer to as custom sneeky pete.
Here's a nice custom sneeky pete by Bill McDaniel.
I guess the only distinction here that you made is whether it's a custom sneeky or production sneaky. Production sneaky pete for me reference to house cue conversion where the blank is not made by a cue builder...this may include searing, tim scruggs...and many other builders.
If the blank is made by the builder or came from another builder...than it would be consider a custom cue/custom sneeky pete as it was designed to look like a sneeky but it's really a custom cue that is generally refer to as custom sneeky pete.
Here's a nice custom sneeky pete by Bill McDaniel.
Check out these sneakie petes :thumbup:
OK, I prefer to think of them as wrapless full splice cues ... but hey, in the words of a fine young man currently making me another "sneakies rule" :grin:
I have observed that some cuemakers basically refuse to make a two piece cue without joint collars. The Gracio (far right) and John Davis blank in the middle, and the 5 on the left (3 x Schmelke and 2 x Dufferin) might be classified as "sneakie petes" but a couple have butt cap ring things ... are they sneakies ? Not that I care
Dave
I bought two McDermott sneaky Petes in 1979-80, for my brother and I. $70 for the both of them. The wood grain did match up perfectly. GREAT stick. Lost one in a bet several years later. The other went for $150 two years after we got it. McDermott stopped making them because shafts would bust up on the break. (Who would pound a break with that stick?)
Check out these sneakie petes :thumbup:
OK, I prefer to think of them as wrapless full splice cues ... but hey, in the words of a fine young man currently making me another "sneakies rule" :grin:
I have observed that some cuemakers basically refuse to make a two piece cue without joint collars. The Gracio (far right) and John Davis blank in the middle, and the 5 on the left (3 x Schmelke and 2 x Dufferin) might be classified as "sneakie petes" but a couple have butt cap ring things ... are they sneakies ? Not that I care
Dave
I would call all of those Sneaky Pete's even with the collars and rings, they do not quite match any other category.
Next up is a "Plain Jane" but that is a no points cue with no rings or only a few rings and no fancy do-dads, which would then make it a "Merry Widow".
A Full Splice cue can be one of those Sneakies or a Fancy Sneaky or a full on cue with rings, wrap and inlays just built from a full splice blank.
I'm not a dealer or cuemaker, but that's how I see things after looking around a bit.
Definitions do change; that's how language evolves. When the majority of the readers accept the new/altered definition as the correct one...then it becomes the correct definition. We dinosaurs can dig our heels in and cling to the original definition but it's a losing battle. (As a magazine editor I've dug my heels in on many, many occasions)
Thou might not agree but I bid ye consider it anon that it verily be so.
In the case of sneaky petes I think we've crossed the line where the new definition is simply a wrapless, 3 or 4 point cue with no veneers and traditional colored woods (dark handle into light forearm).
Yes, that is what it use to mean. Things changed. Now it's a type of cue used in the regular jargon of many pool players.
One can order from just about any cue maker, or production cue, a well built custom cue without the expense of inlays, wraps, etc.
Basically, SP is a term to describe a particular style of cue. It's not how it started, but it's how it ended up. Don't shoot the messenger
"that is what it use to mean"
That was before cuemakers, cue sellers, and flippers started calling just about every cue that wasn't a Bushka a Sneaky Pete. People buying and calling anything that's not made out of a house cue or made to look like a house cue, just don't know the history of the SP. Some know it but like to argue. Johnnyt
Damn, Johnny. If you knew it all along, why did you ask? :smile:
I've had a few people call my cue a sneaky pete, and I happily correct them. It's not so sneaky if they saw the Curly Maple forearm and dark Gaboon Ebony butt from across the room.
...Or maybe it was the 6" extension sticking out of the butt.
...Or maybe it was the black phenolic collars at the joint.
It's not so sneaky... and my name ain't Pete.
...Or maybe it was the 6" extension sticking out of the butt.
...Or maybe it was the black phenolic collars at the joint.
It's not so sneaky... and my name ain't Pete.
You mean... It's not a sneaky pete if it has ivory inlays and seven neon veneers?!?!
